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With the recent commitment of Kyle Allen
Posted on 6/3/13 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 6/3/13 at 3:55 pm
How do you feel going forward in this offense without a truly mobile QB? I personally don't like it, but we really haven't opened up the running game a-la-Okie State/WVU, we were far more traditional air raid and that seemed to work, yet an offense with Manziel, can't really be an accurate standard to compare something to, as the coverage packages likely won't be anything comparable.
Kohl Stewart/Kyle Allen seem to have NFL ready arms. The ball flies off their hands. Yet... the mobile QB in this offense, when you've spread the field out so much seems to be an awesome combination, I'd much like to continue. I guess with Kohl/Kyle and then Kenny/Matt, we've really got a decent set to compare the two styles to.
Thoughts?
Kohl Stewart/Kyle Allen seem to have NFL ready arms. The ball flies off their hands. Yet... the mobile QB in this offense, when you've spread the field out so much seems to be an awesome combination, I'd much like to continue. I guess with Kohl/Kyle and then Kenny/Matt, we've really got a decent set to compare the two styles to.
Thoughts?
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Posted on 6/3/13 at 4:01 pm to TeLeFaWx
I really like the options the different styles give us with Allen Hill and Davis. I like this offense with Manziel at the helm but we don't fully now what having a QB with the arm like Kyle Allen would open up. It's a very nice problem to have
Posted on 6/3/13 at 4:12 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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I really like the options the different styles give us with Allen Hill and Davis.
Agreed. The contrast between their abilities will make for a dynamic competition once Johnny leaves.
Coach Sumlin and Co. have also shown us that they will go with the players that give us the best chance to win, period. Although Sumlin had experienced success with a traditional pocket passer (Keenum) in the past, he chose Johnny to lead his offense. At the time, most viewed Showers as the safe choice and Johnny as the gamble.
Posted on 6/3/13 at 4:28 pm to TeLeFaWx
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How do you feel going forward in this offense without a truly mobile QB?
First y'all more than likely won't have another Manziel anytime soon so this will be the first hump to overcome ...
Second I just don't think the Air Raid alone will work in the SEC, what makes y'all good is JFF's escapability, without that I don't think y'all are quite as successful. You have to keep our defense's honest if you allow us to be single minded because you are single minded we will beat you. JFF affords you that luxury now from the QB spot by his ability to run which in turns makes you more dangerous because you can line-up five wide and still have a run threat.
Posted on 6/3/13 at 5:13 pm to McRebel42
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First y'all more than likely won't have another Manziel anytime soon so this will be the first hump to overcome ...
I think most A&M fans are aware of this.
From the OP:
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we were far more traditional air raid and that seemed to work, yet an offense with Manziel, can't really be an accurate standard to compare something to, as the coverage packages likely won't be anything comparable.
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Second I just don't think the Air Raid alone will work in the SEC
I agree with this statement. However, I think the fact that we primarily ran the Air Raid offense had a lot to do with Kliff Kingsbury, the new coaching staff, the finite amount of time the coaches had to teach the players the playbook, and Johnny's unique abilities.
Clarence McKinney definitely opened up the playbook in the Cotton Bowl. He ran several formations that were skewed toward running calls with smaller splits from the OL.
I expect our offense to be more dynamic next season in terms of formations and variety. We have the stable of running backs to pull it off as well as additions such as Cam Clear to throw in for run-heavy formations as well as Red Zone threats.
Posted on 6/3/13 at 7:40 pm to TeLeFaWx
Obviously I want a great accurate arm than can run like the wind. However I would much rather have a statue to hand it off to studs and throw it to studs than Braxton Miller who can only run.
Posted on 6/3/13 at 8:17 pm to TeLeFaWx
Sumlins offense is designed to be run by a pocket passer. Manziel is just a unique blip on the radar. Years from now he will be remembered as he exception and not the rule under Sumlin.
Believe it or not, coaches dont enjoy the unpredictability a player like Manziel brings, Sumlin would much prefer a guy who he knew would drop back and put the ball where the play was designed regularly. The additional options dont make up for the sleep he loses over it.
Believe it or not, coaches dont enjoy the unpredictability a player like Manziel brings, Sumlin would much prefer a guy who he knew would drop back and put the ball where the play was designed regularly. The additional options dont make up for the sleep he loses over it.
Posted on 6/3/13 at 8:26 pm to Roger Klarvin
Look at Allen's film. He's Very athletic. Not saying he's JFF, but he's mobile ...
Posted on 6/3/13 at 8:57 pm to TeLeFaWx
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How do you feel going forward in this offense without a truly mobile QB?
Just need to develop our running threats from the RB position more.
Think about it: Brandon Williams, Trey Williams, James White, Tra Carson, Varshaun Nixon...
Posted on 6/3/13 at 10:23 pm to Mr. Elvert
He's 2015. Sumlin wouldn't offer until he worked things out in 2014 first.
Blows my mind someone wouldn't be happy after landing the #1 QB in the nation.
Blows my mind someone wouldn't be happy after landing the #1 QB in the nation.
Posted on 6/3/13 at 11:10 pm to W2010
Yeah y'all looked amazing in the Cotton ...
I also agree the more you balance yourselves by beefing up your running game to be a more viable option the more dynamic your offense becomes.
It will be very interesting to see what y'all do once JFF is gone though, but y'all enjoy it while he's there. He's the most exciting player in the country!
I also agree the more you balance yourselves by beefing up your running game to be a more viable option the more dynamic your offense becomes.
It will be very interesting to see what y'all do once JFF is gone though, but y'all enjoy it while he's there. He's the most exciting player in the country!
Posted on 6/4/13 at 1:15 am to TeLeFaWx
Not at all worried about it. Manziel is not the prototypical QB for this offense. He's just too talented to keep off the field. No one has ever seen a QB like Allen run this type of offense. Maybe Tim Couch is the closest example but the rest of that team sucked.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 7:33 am to McRebel42
Those are great points....if we ran the air raid.
Sumlin does not.
Sumlin does not.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 9:23 am to Big Kat
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we were far more traditional air raid and that seemed to work
I was just going off what was said here ... anyway that brings up a good point what would you classify Sumlin's offense like?
Posted on 6/4/13 at 10:48 am to Big Kat
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Those are great points....if we ran the air raid. Sumlin does not.
I viewed what we did last year as traditional air raid. What did you think it was?
Posted on 6/4/13 at 10:51 am to McRebel42
I guess it doesn't have a name although its in the one back system just like the air raid is. It all stems from Dennis Erickson.
All these guys have their own variations and the best ones adapt the philosophy to the personnel instead of the other way around.
Sumlin, Holgerson, Gundy
All these guys have their own variations and the best ones adapt the philosophy to the personnel instead of the other way around.
Sumlin, Holgerson, Gundy
Posted on 6/4/13 at 11:07 am to Big Kat
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I agree with this statement. However, I think the fact that we primarily ran the Air Raid offense had a lot to do with Kliff Kingsbury, the new coaching staff, the finite amount of time the coaches had to teach the players the playbook, and Johnny's unique abilities. Clarence McKinney definitely opened up the playbook in the Cotton Bowl. He ran several formations that were skewed toward running calls with smaller splits from the OL. I expect our offense to be more dynamic next season in terms of formations and variety. We have the stable of running backs to pull it off as well as additions such as Cam Clear to throw in for run-heavy formations as well as Red Zone threats.
I couldn't agree more with all of this. I think Sumlin chose McKinney for a reason and I think alot of it has to do with McKinney's ability to tailor the "air-raid" offense to the running game.
I agree the a strictly pass heavy, traditional air raid offense will have limited and short-lived success in the SEC. What's gonna be fun to watch is how much talent A&M can cram into the skill positions so that it almost doesn't matter run/pass as long as a playmaker is touching the ball.
I think there's a huge difference in the offense Sumlin ran at Houston with a great QB like Keenum and no one else, and the offense he's about to be running at A&M with talent exploding at QB, RB, WR, TE and an o-line that can block whoever they damn well feel like.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 11:20 am to DFWAggie09
It's a scary thought and IMO if y'all do all of this well and continue to build y'all will knock Alabama off its perch.
Posted on 6/4/13 at 9:09 pm to Farmer1906
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Blows my mind someone wouldn't be happy after landing the #1 QB in the nation.
Allen has been compared favorably to a stronger-armed Kellen Moore. In fact, in his evaluation it appears that he seems like a Boise State type of guy -- someone who relies on instincts, timing, ball handling and leadership skills.
quote:Sumin seems highly adaptable to any situation, so I feel confident in his abilities to suit the offense to the players we have on the roster.
How do you feel going forward in this offense without a truly mobile QB?
quote:Soon. We have too much talent at the RB position not to exploit the running game this year.
but we really haven't opened up the running game a-la-Okie State/WVU
Something tells me that last year's RB coach and this year's OC Clarence McKinney will be a little more run-oriented than KK.....
Posted on 6/4/13 at 9:28 pm to Big Kat
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Those are great points....if we ran the air raid.
Sumlin does not.
How do you define an offense?
Sumlin never says the term Air Raid. He's very image conscious and I don't think air raid connotes the offense he wants to sell. But the offense we run uses air raid terminology and air raid route trees. It uses air raid teaching principles. And many of the plays are straight out of the original air raid playbook (which only had 7 plays) with slight variations.
Sumlin certainly has brought his own ideas and concepts to it from working under Price and Tiller. Holgo added a lot of running concepts (while working with Sumlin). It's evolving and what we did last year was different than anything run before. But that's true of every offensive system in history. Call it whatever I guess but to me it's the air raid.
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