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Was this the best secondary in SEC history?
Posted on 4/15/13 at 3:13 am
Posted on 4/15/13 at 3:13 am
***Fair warning, this is not a Bama fap thread, this is a legitimate "Has a better secondary existed" thread. Please exit this thread if you have nothing better to do than flame and troll.***
2011 Bama, RS players not counted.
Mark Barron - First round pick
Dre Kirkpatrick - First round pick
Dee Milliner - Projected first round pick
DeQuan Menzie - 5th round pick
Robert Lester - Projected 5th - 7th round pick
Ha'sean Clinton-Dix - A little too early to tell, but looks like a projected first round pick
John Fulton - Likely drafted anywhere from the 4th round to the 7th round
Vinnie Sunseri - Likely a 5th round pick to being Undrafted
Phelon Jones - Undrafted
Will Lowery - Undrafted
Nick Perry - 7th round - Undrafted (more than likely undrafted)
Jarrick Williams - No way to tell right now, looking like he's in the same boat as Perry
2011 Bama, RS players not counted.
Mark Barron - First round pick
Dre Kirkpatrick - First round pick
Dee Milliner - Projected first round pick
DeQuan Menzie - 5th round pick
Robert Lester - Projected 5th - 7th round pick
Ha'sean Clinton-Dix - A little too early to tell, but looks like a projected first round pick
John Fulton - Likely drafted anywhere from the 4th round to the 7th round
Vinnie Sunseri - Likely a 5th round pick to being Undrafted
Phelon Jones - Undrafted
Will Lowery - Undrafted
Nick Perry - 7th round - Undrafted (more than likely undrafted)
Jarrick Williams - No way to tell right now, looking like he's in the same boat as Perry
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Posted on 4/15/13 at 3:18 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Nah. Top 10, definitely. You are talking over 75 years of secondaries. Antonio Langham is still the best corner in Alabama history, imo. Tennessee had a great secondary in 98-99 with Deion Grant and Dwayne Goodrich.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 3:46 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
I personally like 08 Florida with Major Wright, Joe Haden, Will Hill, Ahmad Black, and Janoris Jenkins.
Also USC has had some underated years. 05 we had KO Simpson, Fred Bennett, Stoney Woodson, Jonathon Joseph and 06 we had Captain Munnerlyn, Carlos Thomas, Fred Bennett, Emanuel Cook, Darian Stewart but our best year might have been 08 with Antonio Allen, Akeem Auguste, Emmanuel Cook, Chris Culliver, Captain Munnerlyn, Darian Stewart, and Stoney Woodson.
From 2007-2009 we finished 4th, 2nd, & 8th in the country in pass defense. Also finished 2nd in 2011.
Also USC has had some underated years. 05 we had KO Simpson, Fred Bennett, Stoney Woodson, Jonathon Joseph and 06 we had Captain Munnerlyn, Carlos Thomas, Fred Bennett, Emanuel Cook, Darian Stewart but our best year might have been 08 with Antonio Allen, Akeem Auguste, Emmanuel Cook, Chris Culliver, Captain Munnerlyn, Darian Stewart, and Stoney Woodson.
From 2007-2009 we finished 4th, 2nd, & 8th in the country in pass defense. Also finished 2nd in 2011.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 3:55 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
2010 LSU probably has it beat.
Patrick Peterson: Bednarik/Thorpe/All-America, #5 overall pick
Morris Claiborne: Thorpe/All-America, #6 overall
Tyrann Mathieu: Bednarik/All-America, projected 3rd-4th round (likely 2nd round talent)
Ron Brooks: #124 overall pick (4th rounder as a career nickel/dime back)
Tharold Simon: projected later round (5-7?) pick
Brandon Taylor: #73 overall pick
Eric Reid: All-America, projected 1st-2nd round
The important point of comparison that puts LSU over the top here imo is the hardware. Where the players from these two secondaries were contemporary with one another, LSU's pulled in the Thorpe and Bednarik two years running and had the higher draft pick status.
2011 Alabama was very good, but I think 2010 LSU has them beat.
Patrick Peterson: Bednarik/Thorpe/All-America, #5 overall pick
Morris Claiborne: Thorpe/All-America, #6 overall
Tyrann Mathieu: Bednarik/All-America, projected 3rd-4th round (likely 2nd round talent)
Ron Brooks: #124 overall pick (4th rounder as a career nickel/dime back)
Tharold Simon: projected later round (5-7?) pick
Brandon Taylor: #73 overall pick
Eric Reid: All-America, projected 1st-2nd round
The important point of comparison that puts LSU over the top here imo is the hardware. Where the players from these two secondaries were contemporary with one another, LSU's pulled in the Thorpe and Bednarik two years running and had the higher draft pick status.
2011 Alabama was very good, but I think 2010 LSU has them beat.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 4:34 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
This thread needs STATS!!!! Not just draft pick BS.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 6:35 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Where do these secondaries rank with ten win seasons? That will tell you the winner.
This post was edited on 4/15/13 at 6:36 am
Posted on 4/15/13 at 8:36 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
I think the 2010 LSU secondary has been the best so far. I'm more interested in a "best defensive line in SEC History" thread.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:12 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Neiko Thorpe>>>>>>
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2011 Bama, RS players not counted.
Mark Barron - First round pick
Dre Kirkpatrick - First round pick
Dee Milliner - Projected first round pick
DeQuan Menzie - 5th round pick
Robert Lester - Projected 5th - 7th round pick
Ha'sean Clinton-Dix - A little too early to tell, but looks like a projected first round pick
John Fulton - Likely drafted anywhere from the 4th round to the 7th round
Vinnie Sunseri - Likely a 5th round pick to being Undrafted
Phelon Jones - Undrafted
Will Lowery - Undrafted
Nick Perry - 7th round - Undrafted (more than likely undrafted)
Posted on 4/15/13 at 9:16 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
No. I'd say the 2011 Linebackers were arguably the best in SEC history. I think LSU had the edge in secondary in 2011
Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:33 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
2010 LSU had PP, Mo Clai, and Tyrann.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:39 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Auburn vs LSU 1994
Best secondary for one half of one game.
Best secondary for one half of one game.
Posted on 4/15/13 at 10:44 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Hard to argue against the game of the century not having the greatest secondaries to ever go up against each other
Posted on 4/15/13 at 12:10 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Nope. 2010 LSU Secondary by a mile
I'm only listing the good ones. Not going through all of them.
But just off the top
Patrick Peterson >>>>>> Dee Millner
Tyrann Mathieu >>> Dre Kirkpatrick
Morris Claiborne >>>>> Mark Barron
Patrick Peterson (#5 overall pick '11)
2010 Bednarik Award Winner
2010 Thorpe Award Winner
2010 First-Team All-American
2010 Southeastern Conference Defensive Player of the Year (Coaches)
2010 Southeastern Conference Special Teams Player of the Year (Coaches)
2010 First-Team All-Southeastern Conference Defense (AP, Coaches)
2010 First-Team All-Southeastern Conference Special Teams (Coaches)
2010 Second-Team All-Southeastern Conference All-Purpose (AP)
2009 Second-Team All-America (Sporting News)
2009 First-Team All-SEC (ESPN)
Morris Claiborne (#6 overall in '12)
2011 Thorpe Award Recipient
2011 Consensus First-Team All-America
2011 Southeastern Conference Defensive Player of the Year (Coaches)
2011 First-Team All-SEC
2011 Nagurski Award Finalist
2010 Second-Team All-SEC
Tyrann Mathieu (Projected 2nd-3rd rounder)
2011 Heisman Memorial Trophy Finalist
2011 Bednarik Award Recipient
2011 Walter Camp National Player of the Year Finalist
2011 First-Team All-American at Cornerback
2011 First-Team All-American at Return Specialist
2011 National Defensive Player of the Year
2011 Southeastern Conference Defensive Player of the Year
2011 First-Team All-Southeastern Conference
2011 SEC Championship Game Most Valuable Player |
2011 Cotton Bowl Defensive Most Outstanding Player
2010 First Team Freshman All-America
2010 Freshman All-Southeastern Conference
Ron Brooks- 4th Rounder
Tharold Simon- projected 3rd-5th rounder
Eric Reid- Projected late 1st-mid 2nd rounder
2012 First Team All-American (AFCA Coaches, FWAA, ESPN, ESPN.com, Scout.com)
2012 All-SEC First Team
2012 SEC Academic Honor Roll
2011 Second-Team All-American (Rivals.com)
2011 Second-Team All-Southeastern Conference (AP)
2011 SEC Academic Honor Roll
Brandon Taylor- 3rd rounder
I'm only listing the good ones. Not going through all of them.
But just off the top
Patrick Peterson >>>>>> Dee Millner
Tyrann Mathieu >>> Dre Kirkpatrick
Morris Claiborne >>>>> Mark Barron
Patrick Peterson (#5 overall pick '11)
2010 Bednarik Award Winner
2010 Thorpe Award Winner
2010 First-Team All-American
2010 Southeastern Conference Defensive Player of the Year (Coaches)
2010 Southeastern Conference Special Teams Player of the Year (Coaches)
2010 First-Team All-Southeastern Conference Defense (AP, Coaches)
2010 First-Team All-Southeastern Conference Special Teams (Coaches)
2010 Second-Team All-Southeastern Conference All-Purpose (AP)
2009 Second-Team All-America (Sporting News)
2009 First-Team All-SEC (ESPN)
Morris Claiborne (#6 overall in '12)
2011 Thorpe Award Recipient
2011 Consensus First-Team All-America
2011 Southeastern Conference Defensive Player of the Year (Coaches)
2011 First-Team All-SEC
2011 Nagurski Award Finalist
2010 Second-Team All-SEC
Tyrann Mathieu (Projected 2nd-3rd rounder)
2011 Heisman Memorial Trophy Finalist
2011 Bednarik Award Recipient
2011 Walter Camp National Player of the Year Finalist
2011 First-Team All-American at Cornerback
2011 First-Team All-American at Return Specialist
2011 National Defensive Player of the Year
2011 Southeastern Conference Defensive Player of the Year
2011 First-Team All-Southeastern Conference
2011 SEC Championship Game Most Valuable Player |
2011 Cotton Bowl Defensive Most Outstanding Player
2010 First Team Freshman All-America
2010 Freshman All-Southeastern Conference
Ron Brooks- 4th Rounder
Tharold Simon- projected 3rd-5th rounder
Eric Reid- Projected late 1st-mid 2nd rounder
2012 First Team All-American (AFCA Coaches, FWAA, ESPN, ESPN.com, Scout.com)
2012 All-SEC First Team
2012 SEC Academic Honor Roll
2011 Second-Team All-American (Rivals.com)
2011 Second-Team All-Southeastern Conference (AP)
2011 SEC Academic Honor Roll
Brandon Taylor- 3rd rounder
Posted on 4/15/13 at 2:09 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Peterson/Claiborne/Reid/Matthieu/brooks/Taylor.
Best dime package ever.
Best dime package ever.
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