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re: Kelly is the best coach Saban will have faced all year

Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:00 pm to
Posted by TheBob
Metairie
Member since Jun 2005
16940 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:00 pm to
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I guess you forgot about Les Miles


Purposely.

Miles is a mediocre coach at a great place. The sooner you realize this, the better off you will be.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:00 pm to
False

JLS for the win.

Posted by brewhan davey
Audubon Place
Member since Sep 2010
32967 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:01 pm to
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It's a fight between him and Kevin Sumlin.
Posted by Terry the Tiger
Cypress, Texas
Member since Jul 2009
3494 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:03 pm to
I guess it depends how strong Sumlin's ties are to his home state on whether that would be strong enough for him to coach at Alabama.

He didn't play there, never coached there. It might not be home to him any longer. If not, what can Bama offer that he doesn't have, or won't have in a few years?

A&M can pay him more that Bama can, more fertile recruiting in Texas, will have a newly-renovated stadium, etc. most importantly he can establish himself as the Man at A&M and not run the risk of having to follow Saban and being compared to the Bear.
Posted by bayoujd
Member since Jan 2009
2782 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:42 pm to
Sumlin is good but I'd like to see how he does without a stud college QB. In the 1 year without Keenum, he went 5-7. And that was his 3rd year there, so it's not like it was a brand new system to the backup.
This post was edited on 1/6/13 at 12:43 pm
Posted by The7Sins
Truth or Consequences, New Mexico
Member since Nov 2012
1178 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:43 pm to
False. Sumlin is better and arguably Miles is better.
Posted by DWag215
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2011
7348 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:44 pm to
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Sumlin is better? Lol. By that logic gene chizik was good too.

What? There's not a scintilla of logic suggesting your last statement follows your first.

Posted by DWag215
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2011
7348 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:46 pm to
quote:

Sumlin is good but I'd like to see how he does without a stud college QB. In the 1 year without Keenum and his back up, he went 5-7.

FIFY

Amazing how people elide over that little fact.
Posted by DWag215
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2011
7348 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:47 pm to
quote:

True. But Sumlin is good. I think he may be Bama's new coach in a few years.

I think I'll be worth 1 trillion dollars in a few years.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
71183 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:51 pm to
True.

Listen, I like Sumlin and think he's a great coach. But JFF is a special talent. You can't teach a kid instincts.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
71183 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:52 pm to
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arguably Miles is better.


Not even close IMO. Miles might be the worst X's and O's coach in the fricking conference.
Posted by bayoujd
Member since Jan 2009
2782 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:02 pm to
Didn't know that, and it's a fair point. But it remains to be seen if he can win without great QB play. Brian Kelly has already proven that, not only at ND but also at Cincy when he had to play something like 4 or 5 QBs in the same season and still won 9 games.
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
43014 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:03 pm to
This year......true
Posted by siliconvalleytiger
Bay Area, CA
Member since Apr 2004
31238 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:05 pm to
I'd speak up for Miles here but I believe that was one of his worst games this year and he admitted as much. Too many cute trick plays that were not needed.
Posted by Tide_in_Tally
Tally
Member since Jan 2013
38 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:07 pm to
Kelly, Miles, Freeze, and then Sumlin

Sumlin has still not done more with less. The one year his QB was injured Houston went 5-7.
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9824 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:15 pm to
How can Sumlin be penalized for coaching good QBs?! If some of you would get your heads out of your asses you'd know Sumlin has coached good QBs since he was at Oklahoma. Plus, he was taught by Mike Price and Joe Tiller. Sumlin is an offensive genius and he'll continue to coach elite QBs because he knows how to create and teach such players.

And, the way Sumlin is recruiting at A&M, I wouldn't wait on him not having an elite QB.
Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
17848 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:16 pm to
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He has certainly benefited by overseeing two elite Qbs in his head coacing career though.


So? If I were a coach, I would make it a priority every couple of years to get an elite QB. In no other college sport can one player out of so many on the team mean the difference between a .500 season and NC contention.
Posted by Restomod
Member since Mar 2012
13493 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:17 pm to
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All around, probably. But he doesn't have the players that Bama does


Neither did Sumlin...and we know how that turned out.
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9824 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:18 pm to
What the hell has Freeze or Kelly accomplished to make one believe they're better coaches than Sumlin?!

At Notre Dame it looks like the DC is carrying the team. And, Freeze?! C'mon.
Posted by bayoujd
Member since Jan 2009
2782 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 1:24 pm to
Not sure if serious. Kelly won 2 national titles in Division II, took Cincy to a BCS game and an undefeated season (first ever there). Now he has ND undefeated in the BCS national title game.

What has Sumlin accomplished in comparison?
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