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Posted on 2/13/12 at 10:21 am to Monticello
Posted on 2/13/12 at 10:21 am to Monticello
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This. The national perception of Texas football is a big bully that rarely backs up his trash talk and never left elementary school. It's a program who relishes on playing in a dilapidated conference afraid of anything or anyone that is bigger than themselves.
Give it some time and eventually the State of Texas will be SEC country. Its a culture and it takes time, but 9 times out of ten, fans a recruits will tune in to a TAMU v. Florida game over a Texas v. Baylor contest.
Let's hope. But they did win 10 games for a decade, did appear in two National Titles, are the last non-SEC team to win one, they pump out defensive backs to the NFL like it is their job, and have more money than God.
I believe that nationally people will eventually like the Aggie based SEC matchup, but it will be a tough process. Just in sheer numbers, the love is insane. Texas has more population than 4 or 5 SEC states combined. That's just the way it is. The burnt orange love is just a behemoth.
I hate it, but it is there.
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Posted on 2/13/12 at 11:40 am to TeLeFaWx
The perception of the SEC is very positive and exciting for the A&M fans and for the players. It is already becoming a reality in recruiting HS kids in Texas. They want to play in the best conference against the best competition. the fans want to see the best football teams and the best football games. Just look at the recent developments and recent comments.
The pro-tu folks in local media want to minimize this positive impact for A&M, but it is going to be impossible to deny the truth. People are starting to see through the spin already...
The pro-tu folks in local media want to minimize this positive impact for A&M, but it is going to be impossible to deny the truth. People are starting to see through the spin already...
Posted on 2/13/12 at 11:46 am to TeLeFaWx
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Will the random t shirt fan turn on the Iowa State/Tech game? Or the Arkansas/Alabama game? My guess would be the Big XII game, at least for now.
The random t-shirt fan wouldn't even be able to catch the Iowa State/Texas Tech game because of the Big 12's shitty TV deal. The Arkansas/Alabama game, however, would be on CBS and easily seen.
Posted on 2/13/12 at 11:46 am to Spirit Of Aggieland
I know, it is incredibly exciting. This SEC dominance, is a relatively new phenomenon, especially on this level, but for high school juniors? From middle school onward, they don't remember a year where the SEC wasn't home to the National Championship. That is incredibly exciting momentum, and A&M is capitalizing on it, but it is not the dominating factor for most. It is definitely a huge factor, but at the end of the day, it is a relatively small shift.
If you look at Okie State's recruiting in the last 4 years, they have given about 5 scholarships to Texas kids that also had offers from LSU. Granted the media hates A&M and is spinning as much as possible, but it is true that the Big XII is still the dominant conference in the state. There is no denying the Red River Shootout and it's significance, and the boost those two schools got from making that a conference game. For this reason alone I want the Arkansas game to stay in Jerry World, but being a Dallas area person, this might be a little selfish. I fear that Houston area Ags will be a little bit more selfish and steal it to a home and home.
If you look at Okie State's recruiting in the last 4 years, they have given about 5 scholarships to Texas kids that also had offers from LSU. Granted the media hates A&M and is spinning as much as possible, but it is true that the Big XII is still the dominant conference in the state. There is no denying the Red River Shootout and it's significance, and the boost those two schools got from making that a conference game. For this reason alone I want the Arkansas game to stay in Jerry World, but being a Dallas area person, this might be a little selfish. I fear that Houston area Ags will be a little bit more selfish and steal it to a home and home.
Posted on 2/13/12 at 12:15 pm to TeLeFaWx
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What if the next Adrian Peterson comes around, and we don't land him
I hate to break this harsh reality to you, but if the next Adrian Peterson comes around there's about zero chance we land him regardless of who our coach is. Unless he goes to Bryan High or had several family members who went to A&M, but even then it's not a guarantee. That's what happens when you don't win.
Posted on 2/13/12 at 12:19 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Hey...we just landed the next Barry Sanders in Trey Williams...who needs the next Adrian Peterson. 
Posted on 2/13/12 at 12:25 pm to TeLeFaWx
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star ratings
Not scouts
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Ketch
Definitely not a scout
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I shouldn't because scouts at recruiting services like Perroni
I'm not talking about recruiting services, I'm talking about several top level D 1 programs who offered him and wanted him. They know a hell of a lot more about this than you, me or any scouting service.
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I like how he has a Texas Tech retread QB calling plays
Better than being some old man who played at Central Connecticut State, right? Who cares where they played and how their college career went, that has zero to do with coaching ability.
Posted on 2/13/12 at 12:30 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Let's hope. But they did win 10 games for a decade, did appear in two National Titles, are the last non-SEC team to win one, they pump out defensive backs to the NFL like it is their job, and have more money than God.
I believe that nationally people will eventually like the Aggie based SEC matchup, but it will be a tough process. Just in sheer numbers, the love is insane. Texas has more population than 4 or 5 SEC states combined. That's just the way it is. The burnt orange love is just a behemoth.
I hate it, but it is there.
A reasonable but rare post in this thread. There is no reason that both A&M and UT cannot recruit in the top 10 yearly. Looking at the most recent recruiting classes, it appears that both OU & OSU had below average recruiting in Texas. TCU on the other hand did well. Tech did surprisingly well. A&M & UT's classes were both great.
I think that over time A&M will flourish in the SEC. It was a bold move and was probably best for their school. Texas & OU have been the big dogs in the conference and in all probablity that is not going to change.
Within 5 years I see the pecking order in the SEC West like this: Bama/LSU, Auburn, A&M, Ark. I look for them to leapfrog Ark within 2 years.
Posted on 2/13/12 at 12:44 pm to Big12fan
When you look at the state of Florida, you see 3 first tier football programs; UF, FSU, Miami. Each has had its ups and downs, but in the last 15 years they've all been strong at some point, sometimes in the same season.
A&M and UT share a state with similar talent to the state of Florida, and like their state, we have one SEC school. I won't argue that UF is successful only because they're in a different/better conference than FSU and Miami, but the perception from outsiders (I think we'd both agree) is that there are 3 major programs in that state, any of which could make a MNC run without surprising anyone. Recently UF has been significantly better than those two, but generally they are seen as 1A, 1B and 1C.
A&M's done nothing in the Big 12 to be deserve consideration as a first tier football program, but on paper, there is no reason we shouldn't have that as an attainable goal in the coming years, due in large part to our conference affiliation.
A&M and UT share a state with similar talent to the state of Florida, and like their state, we have one SEC school. I won't argue that UF is successful only because they're in a different/better conference than FSU and Miami, but the perception from outsiders (I think we'd both agree) is that there are 3 major programs in that state, any of which could make a MNC run without surprising anyone. Recently UF has been significantly better than those two, but generally they are seen as 1A, 1B and 1C.
A&M's done nothing in the Big 12 to be deserve consideration as a first tier football program, but on paper, there is no reason we shouldn't have that as an attainable goal in the coming years, due in large part to our conference affiliation.
This post was edited on 2/13/12 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 2/13/12 at 12:47 pm to texasaggie08
Florida was NOTHING before Steve Spurrier. They had a total of 4 seasons of more than 8 wins (all 9 win seasons) before Spurrier's first year.
Posted on 2/13/12 at 12:52 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Agree....being in the SEC alone doesn't automatically equal W's, the biggest part of the equation is having the right coach. If Sumlin is the right coach, he'll win no matter what conference we are in. If he's another Fran/Sherman, he'll lose no matter what conference we are in.
I just would argue that our ceiling is higher in the SEC IF we finally get the right coach in place, which hopefully we now have. The fact that UF rose from an afterthought to a program that is now seen as equal to or better than FSU/Miami just goes to show that our current perception can change, as can UTs perception of being THE football program in our state.
I just would argue that our ceiling is higher in the SEC IF we finally get the right coach in place, which hopefully we now have. The fact that UF rose from an afterthought to a program that is now seen as equal to or better than FSU/Miami just goes to show that our current perception can change, as can UTs perception of being THE football program in our state.
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Posted on 2/13/12 at 1:28 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Really? You are on TexAgs aren't you? You have heard Leone talk about how Adrian Peterson was at every Aggie home game his freshman year because of, ironically enough, Kevin Sumlin?
A&M has been able to grab quite a few 5 star running backs over the last decade of mediocrity. How many of those has the Kilff Kingsbury offense at Tech signed when they were consistently kicking our arse and winning FAR more games than us. Maybe the style of offense you run has an effect on the athletes you can get on campus. Novel concept.
A&M has been able to grab quite a few 5 star running backs over the last decade of mediocrity. How many of those has the Kilff Kingsbury offense at Tech signed when they were consistently kicking our arse and winning FAR more games than us. Maybe the style of offense you run has an effect on the athletes you can get on campus. Novel concept.
Posted on 2/13/12 at 1:33 pm to TeLeFaWx
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A&M has been able to grab quite a few 5 star running backs over the last decade of mediocrity.
I count 2 (Trey Williams and Christine Michael).
Only four 4-star backs (Gray, Malena, Jones and Jones). Courtney Lewis was a 3-star.
Posted on 2/13/12 at 1:33 pm to TeLeFaWx
Do you honestly think we would have signed Adrian Peterson? Maybe I'm just jaded by the last decade. I know we've signed 5 star running backs, but Peterson was the number one player in the country that year and it wasn't close. He was the biggest RB prospect in the state since Dickerson or Earl Campbell.
Please never compare Tech recruiting to ours ever again in a rational argument. Tech's facilities, location, history, everything about the school is a level or more lower than everything we have. And Leach was known as an awful recruiter anyways. And I still don't understand why you seem so certain that we'll be throwing the ball 50 times a game.
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How many of those has the Kilff Kingsbury offense at Tech signed when they were consistently kicking our arse and winning FAR more games than us. Maybe the style of offense you run has an effect on the athletes you can get on campus. Novel concept.
Please never compare Tech recruiting to ours ever again in a rational argument. Tech's facilities, location, history, everything about the school is a level or more lower than everything we have. And Leach was known as an awful recruiter anyways. And I still don't understand why you seem so certain that we'll be throwing the ball 50 times a game.
Posted on 2/13/12 at 1:39 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
I didn't say I was some master evaluator of talent. I know that Sherman didn't offer him, and neither did a lot of schools, his size being a primary concern. Obviously some did, but he isn't viewed by every single talent coach as a lock.
And even players without question marks surrounding them, like my example of Garrett Gilbert, people don't pan out.
Here is a question for you, Matt Davis or Johnny Manziel? Matt Davis's offer list was far more impressive. Far more. Did a single SEC school offer Manziel? Neither one has taken a snap at the collegiate level. Both have a brand new coaching staff, and a brand new offense. Both have spring to learn. Can you say with absolute certainty Matt Davis will beat out Manziel? Does the system suit his skill set? Does that play a factor at all? I even mentioned how a pure cover corner like Harris is probably better suited for the SEC as opposed to the big physical corners Sherman wanted to blow up Big 12 screen plays.
And even players without question marks surrounding them, like my example of Garrett Gilbert, people don't pan out.
Here is a question for you, Matt Davis or Johnny Manziel? Matt Davis's offer list was far more impressive. Far more. Did a single SEC school offer Manziel? Neither one has taken a snap at the collegiate level. Both have a brand new coaching staff, and a brand new offense. Both have spring to learn. Can you say with absolute certainty Matt Davis will beat out Manziel? Does the system suit his skill set? Does that play a factor at all? I even mentioned how a pure cover corner like Harris is probably better suited for the SEC as opposed to the big physical corners Sherman wanted to blow up Big 12 screen plays.
Posted on 2/13/12 at 1:41 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Here is a question for you, Matt Davis or Johnny Manziel? Matt Davis's offer list was far more impressive
Johnny Manziel also put up OBSCENE numbers after decommitting from Oregon and committing to A&M.
Posted on 2/13/12 at 1:48 pm to TeLeFaWx
I think Matt Davis has much more potential, but he's also raw as shite. Ideally he would be able to redshirt a year and develop. Manziel should be a little more polished now. I think Sumlin will try to find the best QB and tailor the playcalling to that QB, unless he was just spewing BS in his interviews, which I guess wouldn't surprise me either. I'd rather have Manziel starting this year though, unless Davis improves a ton between now and the start of next season with throwing the ball. Both are tremendous athletes though.
Posted on 2/13/12 at 2:04 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Please never compare Tech recruiting to ours ever again in a rational argument. Tech's facilities, location, history, everything about the school is a level or more lower than everything we have. And Leach was known as an awful recruiter anyways. And I still don't understand why you seem so certain that we'll be throwing the ball 50 times a game.
No. I was simply trying to make the argument, which I believe to be perfectly reasonable, that style of play and the offense you run affects recruiting, and regardless of winning that will hold form. Maybe this example makes sense, Jeff Fuller. Aggie Legacy, and long time Sooner commit until Sherman came. Why?
Posted on 2/13/12 at 2:09 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Johnny Manziel also put up OBSCENE numbers after decommitting from Oregon and committing to A&M.
That is fine. But you were using talent evaluators to blanketly justify your stance.
Matt Davis offer list according to Rivals:
A&M
Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
Auburn
Baylor
Clemson
Iowa
Iowa State
LSU
Nebraska
Oklahoma State
Pitt
Purdue
TCU
Texas Tech
Tulane
Tulsa
Utah
Manziel:
A&M
Baylor
Colorado State
Iowa State
Louisiana Tech
Oregon
Rice
Stanford
UTSA
Tulsa
Wyoming
Manziel redshirted. Matt Davis is an early enrollee. One redshirted year in a different offense will make the difference in that talent? My point being, simply through talent evaluation of high level coaches, the choice would be obvious. I am simply trying to state it is not that simple. How do you not realize that?
Posted on 2/13/12 at 2:12 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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I count 2 (Trey Williams and Christine Michael).
Only four 4-star backs (Gray, Malena, Jones and Jones). Courtney Lewis was a 3-star.
Jorvorksi and Mike Goodson were 4 stars I'm sure.
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