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re: Michael Dyer was down

Posted on 1/11/11 at 9:00 pm to
Posted by Erichg14
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
357 posts
Posted on 1/11/11 at 9:00 pm to
quote:

does the fact the ball hand was down (adams) as opposed to dyer's non ball hand have anythng to do with it?


Yes. If the ball hand hits the ground you are down. You can keep yourself upright with your off hand. It's in the rule book.
Posted by colemab
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
72 posts
Posted on 1/11/11 at 9:06 pm to
Since the rule book doesn't appear to define "hand" and "arm", it is a judgment call right?

If so then the hand/arm wouldn't be reviewable in the booth right? But the leg / angle would be?

IMO:

Wrist = part of the arm
Palm = part of the hand

I think that his PALM was making contact and thus he wasn't down.
This post was edited on 1/11/11 at 9:07 pm
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
Member since Jul 2004
9576 posts
Posted on 1/11/11 at 9:09 pm to
If anybody wants the rulebook, you can download it here:

NCAA Publications
Posted by Cigars Beer Boobs
Member since Aug 2009
541 posts
Posted on 1/11/11 at 9:11 pm to
I think this is the rule you're looking for.

rule 301.a34(b)
Posted by tigersruledude
Member since Oct 2005
1484 posts
Posted on 1/11/11 at 9:26 pm to
Ugh...couple things...

1. Game is over...move on.
2. I am pretty confident Auburn would have gotten in field goal range anyway.
3. From a common sense point of view...just looking at it...he wasn't down except by some obscure rule thing like the wrist junk some of you have talked about. I don't mind them applying the rules the way they did.

That said...

it's a pretty cheap way to get into field goal range to win a championship. Not Auburns fault but I hate to see a game turn on something like that.

I wish they had something like a "concede" rule where when something odd like this happens and both teams give up on the play they just blow it dead right there.
Posted by Esarhaddon
Lafayette, LA
Member since Aug 2006
19035 posts
Posted on 1/11/11 at 9:27 pm to
I bet Auburn would have wanted a personal foul if he had gotten tackled hard while he was standing around thinking the play was over. One of the Oregon players pulled off when he was on the ground prolly b/c he didn't want a penalty.
Posted by CalLSU
Shreveport, la
Member since Feb 2009
799 posts
Posted on 1/11/11 at 9:33 pm to
bamachick, I believe that the biggest difference between those 2 plays was that for the Arkansas player, his wrist that was holding the ball was the one that was on the ground while in the Auburn game, his wrist that was not holding the ball was touching the ground. I believe that the rule differentiats between the 2 which is why it wasn't called in one game and was called in the other game. I could be wrong, but I do believe that this was why it was called against Arkansas and not against Auburn.
Posted by LSUGradATL
Warsawa/ATL
Member since Jul 2007
10497 posts
Posted on 1/11/11 at 9:37 pm to
quote:

Too bad you can't act like you have been there before.


Says a bama fan.
Posted by Cigars Beer Boobs
Member since Aug 2009
541 posts
Posted on 1/11/11 at 10:02 pm to
He was definitely down.
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