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Newton Eligibility Ruling Question
Posted on 12/3/10 at 10:06 am
Posted on 12/3/10 at 10:06 am
"When a school discovers an NCAA rules violation has occurred, it must declare the student-athlete ineligible and may request the student-athlete’s eligibility be reinstated. "
^from the PR this week.
If we knew about these allegations since at least July, why did we wait to rule him ineligible until this week? Are we saying we believed Roger's was acting on his own as Cecil previously claimed up until this week? Does that mean Cecil just came clean this week?
It's been my understanding we knew about everything the whole time but didn't pay/deal with Roger's so we weren't worried about playing him.
Maybe I'm missing something...
^from the PR this week.
If we knew about these allegations since at least July, why did we wait to rule him ineligible until this week? Are we saying we believed Roger's was acting on his own as Cecil previously claimed up until this week? Does that mean Cecil just came clean this week?
It's been my understanding we knew about everything the whole time but didn't pay/deal with Roger's so we weren't worried about playing him.
Maybe I'm missing something...
This post was edited on 12/3/10 at 10:08 am
Posted on 12/3/10 at 10:09 am to PuntBamaPunt
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Maybe I'm missing something...
have you checked cam's backpack

j/k

Posted on 12/3/10 at 10:12 am to PuntBamaPunt
Fair question. I am guessing AU's position will be that they did an initial investigation and beleived Cam to be eligible. After new information was learned and their investigation was completed (on Monday :winkwink:) they consulted the conference and the NCAA and determined a rules violation had occurred. They declared him ineligible and immediately requested reinstatement. Obviously there was a lot of communication going on between AU, the SEC and the NCAA behind the scenes and the timing of this ruling and announcement was orchestrated.
This post was edited on 12/3/10 at 10:15 am
Posted on 12/3/10 at 10:13 am to PuntBamaPunt
I think the real key in the PR was that Auburn and the NCAA agreed on certain facts. I have a feeling that AU was looking at things one way all season, and now as more things have come out through the NCAA interviews some new facts have come out. Maybe Auburn was looking at things one way all along, the NCAA comes ina says they see it this way (starting around AU homecoming game) and the interim weeks they have been going back and forther because there isn't enough proof one way or another so they finally say "we can both agree to things happening this way..." and by agreeing to that, Auburn has to admit to something being not particularly on the up and up as they had been saying for so long.
Posted on 12/3/10 at 10:20 am to PJinAtl
I guess we could say we didn't think it was a violation this entire time and the NCAA just now said it was?
Posted on 12/3/10 at 10:28 am to PuntBamaPunt
This is all dirty laundry, we all know it- those who will admit it and those who deny it.
It is simply about money - not Newton money but the economic engine for the NCAA and SEC.
We have thrown all integrity out the window and now the NCAA and SEC are trying to save face. They will do nothing now and nothing in the future. They want it all to go away and get back to making bank deposits.
It is simply about money - not Newton money but the economic engine for the NCAA and SEC.
We have thrown all integrity out the window and now the NCAA and SEC are trying to save face. They will do nothing now and nothing in the future. They want it all to go away and get back to making bank deposits.
Posted on 12/3/10 at 10:33 am to 756
The NCAA and SEC are being publically ridiculed by their own member institutions because it appears, at this time, that they have turned a blind-eye to obvious rules violations.
However, THIS ISN'T OVER - really, it's only just begun.
However, THIS ISN'T OVER - really, it's only just begun.
Posted on 12/3/10 at 11:26 am to RT1941
Timeline reeks.
19.10.4.1 When a member institution discovers that a violation has occurred or receives information of a possible
violation by another member institution, the matter shall be reported to the Conference office through the
institution's Chief Executive Officer or Athletic Director.
MSU notified the SEC in January.
19.10.4.2 Allegations and complaints of rules violations received by the Commissioner, from any source, will be
evaluated as to credibility and potential status (major or secondary).
19.10.4.3 Upon determination that an allegation or complaint has substance, the Commissioner will notify the
institution involved. With the notification, the Commissioner will request the institution to conduct an immediate,
preliminary inquiry and submit a written report within 30 days.
MSU gave the SEC all the information they had. Which is the same information they had when the NCAA made a ruling. SEC didn't notify Auburn until July which sends up red flags. Did we ever hear of a report by Auburn within the 30 day period? I never heard of one.
19.10.4.6 If the violation is determined to be major or has the potential to develop into a major infractions case, the
Commissioner and/or the institution will notify the NCAA when appropriate.
Slime sat on it and MSU went over Slime's head to NCAA.
It took 11 months from the time MSU notified the SEC until he was declared ineligible and then mysteriously eligible within a 24 hour period. The press never even knew Cam was ineligible until he was already reinstated.
It's a heaping pile of shite.
19.10.4.1 When a member institution discovers that a violation has occurred or receives information of a possible
violation by another member institution, the matter shall be reported to the Conference office through the
institution's Chief Executive Officer or Athletic Director.
MSU notified the SEC in January.
19.10.4.2 Allegations and complaints of rules violations received by the Commissioner, from any source, will be
evaluated as to credibility and potential status (major or secondary).
19.10.4.3 Upon determination that an allegation or complaint has substance, the Commissioner will notify the
institution involved. With the notification, the Commissioner will request the institution to conduct an immediate,
preliminary inquiry and submit a written report within 30 days.
MSU gave the SEC all the information they had. Which is the same information they had when the NCAA made a ruling. SEC didn't notify Auburn until July which sends up red flags. Did we ever hear of a report by Auburn within the 30 day period? I never heard of one.
19.10.4.6 If the violation is determined to be major or has the potential to develop into a major infractions case, the
Commissioner and/or the institution will notify the NCAA when appropriate.
Slime sat on it and MSU went over Slime's head to NCAA.
It took 11 months from the time MSU notified the SEC until he was declared ineligible and then mysteriously eligible within a 24 hour period. The press never even knew Cam was ineligible until he was already reinstated.
It's a heaping pile of shite.
Posted on 12/3/10 at 11:33 am to PJinAtl
quote:
I think the real key in the PR was that Auburn and the NCAA agreed on certain facts. I have a feeling that AU was looking at things one way all season, and now as more things have come out through the NCAA interviews some new facts have come out. Maybe Auburn was looking at things one way all along, the NCAA comes ina says they see it this way (starting around AU homecoming game) and the interim weeks they have been going back and forther because there isn't enough proof one way or another so they finally say "we can both agree to things happening this way..." and by agreeing to that, Auburn has to admit to something being not particularly on the up and up as they had been saying for so long.
I could buy most of that, but I just find it interesting that most other programs probably would have requested this at the beginning of the season...rather than at the end of it. The timing is certainly suspect in all of this. I really don't think this ends well for Auburn in the long run...and the timing as stated above is their downfall.
Posted on 12/3/10 at 11:36 am to Dice
quote:I agree. This thing should have been investigated by the SEC and NCAA in the spring. Then AU could have declared Cam ineligible before the season and had him reinstated before the first or second game, which happens all of the time. Had that happened, this would have been no big deal. Especially considering no one knew at that time how good Cam would be and what kind of a difference maker he is.
I just find it interesting that most other programs probably would have requested this at the beginning of the season...rather than at the end of it. The timing is certainly suspect in all of this.
This post was edited on 12/3/10 at 11:38 am
Posted on 12/3/10 at 11:37 am to arty
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Timeline reeks.
19.10.4.1 When a member institution discovers that a violation has occurred or receives information of a possible
violation by another member institution, the matter shall be reported to the Conference office through the
institution's Chief Executive Officer or Athletic Director.
MSU notified the SEC in January.
19.10.4.2 Allegations and complaints of rules violations received by the Commissioner, from any source, will be
evaluated as to credibility and potential status (major or secondary).
19.10.4.3 Upon determination that an allegation or complaint has substance, the Commissioner will notify the
institution involved. With the notification, the Commissioner will request the institution to conduct an immediate,
preliminary inquiry and submit a written report within 30 days.
MSU gave the SEC all the information they had. Which is the same information they had when the NCAA made a ruling. SEC didn't notify Auburn until July which sends up red flags. Did we ever hear of a report by Auburn within the 30 day period? I never heard of one.
19.10.4.6 If the violation is determined to be major or has the potential to develop into a major infractions case, the
Commissioner and/or the institution will notify the NCAA when appropriate.
Slime sat on it and MSU went over Slime's head to NCAA.
It took 11 months from the time MSU notified the SEC until he was declared ineligible and then mysteriously eligible within a 24 hour period. The press never even knew Cam was ineligible until he was already reinstated.
It's a heaping pile of shite.
This sums it up perfectly...
Slive sat on it
OR
He called Aubarn and told them State just turned them in and they better cover their arse on Newton
Or both
This isn't over
Posted on 12/3/10 at 11:53 am to CoonassBulldog
everyone keeps saying its not over- I want the truth to come out but I am telling you unless a lawsuit is filed or there is a money trail for money received by the newtons It is over.
They want it to go away
They want it to go away
Posted on 12/3/10 at 11:58 am to CoonassBulldog
quote:
This sums it up perfectly...
Slive sat on it
OR
He called Aubarn and told them State just turned them in and they better cover their arse on Newton
Or both
This isn't over
Which leads to why was Paul Slimebaum running interference for Mike Slime? Why was Slimebaum talking trash about Megan Mullen? Why was Slimebaum pointing the finger at MSU when the whole time everybody was telling him it was Auburn's problem because Cecil had pimped out Cam?
There's some strange shat going down in this conference right now.
The SEC basically has a mouthpiece on national radio covering Mike Slime's arse, who also has connections with Milton McGregor who has been indicted and Bobby Lowder who lost his bank and probably will soon be indicted because of the mortgage warehousing scheme and his request of TARP money.
I've noticed Paul gives the podium to just about anybody who will speak positively in favor of the Newton's but tends to berate anybody who suggests the investigation is ongoing.
It leads me to believe he's getting a lot of information from Mike Slime that the investigation is over as far as they're concerned so it would almost certainly take an outside college football investigatory body like the FBI to turn over any rot.
It just all stinks like shite and I think Paul is doing all he can with a national audience to help keep the attention away from his buddies.
This post was edited on 12/3/10 at 11:59 am
Posted on 12/3/10 at 11:59 am to 756
SEC and NCAA definitely wants it to go away. Just have to wonder how much pressure they are getting right now from other institutions to further explain the ruling
Posted on 12/3/10 at 12:04 pm to PuntBamaPunt
you are missing a lot.
the FBI is working this case.
we have not heard the end of this mess.
the FBI is working this case.
we have not heard the end of this mess.
Posted on 12/3/10 at 12:20 pm to 756
quote:
everyone keeps saying its not over- I want the truth to come out but I am telling you unless a lawsuit is filed or there is a money trail for money received by the newtons It is over.
They want it to go away
Say what? The NCAA has not stopped investigating. All that little piss ant ruling was on what Aubarn had found out in their little "investigation"...
There is a different committee of the NCAA doing the investigation of all this. And of course they will get the FBI's info once they are finished and can turn it over to the NCAA. But that is still awhile away.
Posted on 12/3/10 at 12:23 pm to arty
its all about money. And the SEC playing in the title game brings home even more millions to the conference coffers- and the SEC office gets a share of the pot.
Posted on 12/3/10 at 1:03 pm to CoonassBulldog
Look at logic- if the NCAA thought for one second that the FBI was going to drop some big bomb on the Newtons , MSU or AU they would have handled this differently- THE FBI is mostly interested in the criminal investigation of individuals that just happen to be AU boosters. The FBI could give a didly about AU and it's football program.
It is about MONEY Economic money-- all of us who feel disenfranchised and cheated by the Newton scam are not going to get the answer we want. The NCAA is NOT concerned about any of us. The NCAA is concerned about the economic engine of college sports and protecting its universities from scandal. Unless the FBI arrests Cecil Newton( which it most likely will not) and proves a money trail- this is going no further. It is a bad situation that the powers that be want to disappear- I don;t like it anymore than you do
It is about MONEY Economic money-- all of us who feel disenfranchised and cheated by the Newton scam are not going to get the answer we want. The NCAA is NOT concerned about any of us. The NCAA is concerned about the economic engine of college sports and protecting its universities from scandal. Unless the FBI arrests Cecil Newton( which it most likely will not) and proves a money trail- this is going no further. It is a bad situation that the powers that be want to disappear- I don;t like it anymore than you do
Posted on 12/3/10 at 1:50 pm to 756
quote:
Unless the FBI arrests Cecil Newton( which it most likely will not) and proves a money trail- this is going no further. It is a bad situation that the powers that be want to disappear- I don;t like it anymore than you do
FBI didn't get involved with Albert Means until later in the game. Up until that time there was no way to prove Means or Lynn Lang ever received any money. But the fact that somebody might have gotten paid perked up the ears of the FBI. They dug in their heels after that.
Posted on 12/3/10 at 2:12 pm to 756
quote:
THE FBI is mostly interested in the criminal investigation of individuals that just happen to be AU boosters. The FBI could give a didly about AU and it's football program
If the FBI, through wiretaps, has uncovered Aubarn boosters talking about giving thousands of untaxed dollars to the father of a QB- then you can bet they will be involved
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