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re: Arkansas fans, let's come clean. Air this out once & 4 all..
Posted on 6/22/09 at 10:20 pm to Adiossuck
Posted on 6/22/09 at 10:20 pm to Adiossuck
Whatever and you know what -- we could be 5-7 and still War Memorial will sell out to 58k+ fans and Reynolds Razorback will house 70k+ to see our Razorbacks. How many is Ole Missy and Mississippi State pulling in? How about Kentucky and Vandy? We are clearly above those programs -- Actually us and south Carolina fan base wise are a lot alike......
and wildrebeltime is a douchebag just like the coach he idealizes and loves so much. It will be interesting to see what Dale looks like after Boone gets done with him and his spending habits....
and wildrebeltime is a douchebag just like the coach he idealizes and loves so much. It will be interesting to see what Dale looks like after Boone gets done with him and his spending habits....
This post was edited on 6/22/09 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 6/22/09 at 10:26 pm to Adiossuck
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I was thinking the same thing
Meh, I think we are upper-middle class. Sort of like Texas Tech, Florida State, and Cal.
Posted on 6/22/09 at 10:45 pm to HawgAlude
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I think we are upper-middle class.
I think you are the other white meat. We obviously have a difference of opinion.
Posted on 6/22/09 at 10:49 pm to wildrebeltime
Geez...you can't just post cliff notes to your thesis' you write?
Posted on 6/22/09 at 11:08 pm to wildrebeltime
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definatly do not mean to cause enemies with you guys/gals. I like your athletic programs.
When you set your expectations for your football program year after year you need to remember that status quo conference season for Ark is going to be about what you saw this year at 2-6 and it's what you'll see in 09. I think over a 20 year period you would have more 2-6's than anything else. A few 1-7's, a few 3-5's, a few 4-4's and a very few better than 4-4. You need to get an understanding of your conference competition and their recruiting base, how many guys within 50, 100, 200 miles grow up wanting to play for those programs or who move in there and end up there b/c they want to stay close to family or girlfriend etc ,who ultimately get drafted compared to Ark, compare fan following size, stadium size, there are alot of indicators you can point to to help tell you where you are. Most around the nation would compare Arkansas in football to kentucky. They both have about equal recruit base, and Kentucky has about 20 more million in it's annual budget. Kentucky does share with Louisville in recruiting. Another program to compare to outside of the SEC is Purdue. Not alot of tradition in conference, decent recruiting base, and in the lower 1/3rd of the conference in terms of potential. Purdue has 33 active NFLers after this draft and free agent signing. Arkansas has 25. so by that logic you would think if Bear bryant was coaching both programs Purdue would probabaly win 6 or 7 out of 10 matchups.
I'm tired of hearing this "he had dmac, felix, and Hillis, and that's all he could do" statement.
Most of you are football novices so let me break this down. It takes more than a backfield, some of whom where injured at various times of their careers, to win a national championship in the SEC. YOu also need a defense and when you had all those Little Rock defensive linemen, anchored by #1 round draft pick Jamaal Anderson in 06, it gave you a chance to overacheive. In 06 you would of been at or near the top of the SEC in rushing regardless of if Dmac and Felix were ever born b/c Nutt always was up there. Dmac was a safety in highschool and punt returner. He was somewhat of an emergency tailback. Felix wanted to play for Bob Stoops but they wouldn't recruit him. So, you could say Nutt had something to do with developing them into first round backs. Arkansas' biggest problem is there is not enough defensive size and speed in the immediate recruiting base to compete consistantly with SEC teams like their is at LSU, Bama, Auburn, MS, even MSU puts a DL or 2 in the NFL each year. How many players in the NFL right now grew up playing highschool defense in Arkansas? Harrison, Dacus? and that's about all I think and they were 08 draftees. Prior to that I think there were years where there were none. Anderson was a 200lbs wide out that they bulked up to 270.
So, that is why you should be happy with 6-6 and just a bowl game.
Posted on 6/22/09 at 11:39 pm to akantho
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akantho
Please post a link to that video.
That is the funniest shite ever.
Posted on 6/23/09 at 5:05 am to HawgAlude
Man Arky fans get their panties in a bunch!
Good for you. So has Harvard, Yale, Colgate, Purdue, Minnesota, TCU, Cornell, Army, Maryland, Iowa, Syracuse, Missouri, Washington, Colorado, and Georgia Tech.
None of these programs would have fired Hootie - just sayin'
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We have won a National Championship in football
Good for you. So has Harvard, Yale, Colgate, Purdue, Minnesota, TCU, Cornell, Army, Maryland, Iowa, Syracuse, Missouri, Washington, Colorado, and Georgia Tech.
None of these programs would have fired Hootie - just sayin'
Posted on 6/23/09 at 5:59 am to wildrebeltime
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I definatly do not mean to cause enemies with you guys/gals.
Too late. TCTWF is all yours. Hope you keep the for 20 years.
Posted on 6/23/09 at 6:43 am to ljhog
I hope you guys understand.
It's not about "hootie" or the springdale 5. Well maybe you or your compadre's ran him off b/c they weren't going to utilize a spread exclusive offense that won't work in the SEC. But, this thread is about Arkansas' potential. Arkansas' resources. Arkansas' recruiting base.
There is only 1 program in the SEC you can consistantly out-recruit. Vandy. Even MSU has more players in the NFL, and they are coming from the state of MS. So, in my opinion, and in everyone elses who represent different fanbases on this forum, you should consider the Cotton Bowl a national championship game. B/c it goes to 4th place in the SEC and that is pretty much your ceiling of potential. That 06 year was a year of luck, chance, and you had alot of good defensive players, particularly linemen from LR on that team. When you don't have that it's mmuch tougher.
It's not about "hootie" or the springdale 5. Well maybe you or your compadre's ran him off b/c they weren't going to utilize a spread exclusive offense that won't work in the SEC. But, this thread is about Arkansas' potential. Arkansas' resources. Arkansas' recruiting base.
There is only 1 program in the SEC you can consistantly out-recruit. Vandy. Even MSU has more players in the NFL, and they are coming from the state of MS. So, in my opinion, and in everyone elses who represent different fanbases on this forum, you should consider the Cotton Bowl a national championship game. B/c it goes to 4th place in the SEC and that is pretty much your ceiling of potential. That 06 year was a year of luck, chance, and you had alot of good defensive players, particularly linemen from LR on that team. When you don't have that it's mmuch tougher.
This post was edited on 6/23/09 at 6:46 am
Posted on 6/23/09 at 6:51 am to wildrebeltime
You're not even worth responding to.
Posted on 6/23/09 at 6:56 am to pitbull1Ark
Why does anybody get stirred up over anything this guy says? I stopped taking wildrebeltime's posts seriously when he said Houston Nutt was on par with Bear Bryant as the greatest SEC football coach of all time
This post was edited on 6/23/09 at 6:58 am
Posted on 6/23/09 at 6:59 am to CC Tiger1
what I said was so far his accomplishments compared to his predecessors and successors in the modern era right now is equal b/c no one has come close do doing what he's done at Arkansas in the SEC, and I don't think they will.
If Bryant were coaching in his prime at Ark from 98 to 07 He would not have won more than Nutt did, I'll put it that way.
If Bryant were coaching in his prime at Ark from 98 to 07 He would not have won more than Nutt did, I'll put it that way.
Posted on 6/23/09 at 7:11 am to wildrebeltime
Lets put it this way. ESPN college football experts said that we will be the most improved team. You can throw this coming season out for Houston Dale since it will be his most successful. It is all down hill from there. I still think we take his innovative peewee football team this coming season and not only will we kick his arse in Oxford he will also lose to South Carolina as well. I believe us and maybe 2 other teams to be the toughest on the OM schedule. SO here are my predictions
@Memphis - W
USL- W
@SC*- L
@VAN- L (based on history)
BAMA- L
UAB-W
ARK-L
@AUB-W
NAriz-W
UT-W (this one could go either way)
LSU-L
@MSU-w
so that is 7-5 which is about where Hootie is most seasons and further backs up his coaching abilities with the FACTS that you keep posting
@Memphis - W
USL- W
@SC*- L
@VAN- L (based on history)
BAMA- L
UAB-W
ARK-L
@AUB-W
NAriz-W
UT-W (this one could go either way)
LSU-L
@MSU-w
so that is 7-5 which is about where Hootie is most seasons and further backs up his coaching abilities with the FACTS that you keep posting
Posted on 6/23/09 at 8:33 am to HawgAlude
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he will also lose to South Carolina
Jevan Snead > Stephen Garcia
QB play is going to determine the SEC. Mallett, Jefferson/Lee, McElroy are all going to have growing pains, which gives us a huge advantage.
I'll give Bama the best chance to beat us in the West because of their great D.
Posted on 6/23/09 at 8:48 am to Billy Mays
and that is what will frustrate the hell out of you Ole Miss fans....
He is not known as the QB killa for nothing.
He is not known as the QB killa for nothing.
Posted on 6/23/09 at 9:00 am to HawgAlude
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and that is what will frustrate the hell out of you Ole Miss fans....
He is not known as the QB killa for nothing.
Truth...However, Austin is probably his best QB coach since Fergi...Hell, he may be the best coach on the OM staff which shoots a gigantic whole in WRT's theory on how great Nutt is...
You can't judge on Snead...He was a polished QB coming out of high school...Nutt will be judged on Stanley, Cotton, etc..
Posted on 6/23/09 at 9:17 am to sugatowng
As if Nutt’s comments aren’t embarrassing enough, after the game Marcus Monk commented on the same play and he gave props to Casey Dick for calling an audible and getting them into the right play.
In fact, Monk went into some detail about the play and the called audible yet Nutt took credit for it. Typical Nutt. When something goes right it’s all about him. When things go wrong, it’s someone else’s fault. What a winner and a fighter!
LINK
In fact, Monk went into some detail about the play and the called audible yet Nutt took credit for it. Typical Nutt. When something goes right it’s all about him. When things go wrong, it’s someone else’s fault. What a winner and a fighter!
LINK
Posted on 6/23/09 at 10:47 am to geauxjudge
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Since Arky joined the SEC (last 20 years) here is how I see the West v. East comparisons. Not just records but overall program expectations and results.
Ark = USCe
OM = UK
MSU = Vandy
Auburn = Tenn
Bama = UGA
LSU = UF
For what it's worth, we are 7th in overall wins since 1992 (LSU is 6th) ahead of Old Piss, Miss St. USC, Kentucky, and Vandy
Posted on 6/23/09 at 11:19 am to woopiginaustin
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but shouldn't expect to ever win the big one.
You can't call yourself a true fan if you do not hold out some hope that your team will win the big one. Even when all the stats tell you otherwise. I think every real fan for any team always wants to have that moment. And Arkansas fans are die hard. We are realistic, we know the big one probably won't be this year. But don't think for one minute Arkansas fans won't expect to "win the big one." I would not ask any fan to do that. That is what being a fan is all about.
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