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Posted on 6/11/09 at 3:12 pm to neutrino
Posted on 6/11/09 at 3:12 pm to neutrino
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Wow, what a crybaby
I can't understand why some of the tards on here are so butthurt over this. I know most of the other fans here don't really care.
It could've been worse, so I ain't mad. But, I still think the punishment was too much IMO.
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Posted on 6/11/09 at 3:14 pm to neutrino
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Ok. Good for you, I guess. What's your point?
They all returned the books. If not returned, they paid the full price for the book. In the end, after the situation was fixed, no one of them could benefit, unless they sold it for more money it cost in the bookstore.
I think his point is that $10k worth of intentionally stolen books and materials is a major violation.. and a shockingly high figure.
We've all heard about how they only received packets of pens and shite
Posted on 6/11/09 at 3:16 pm to bmy
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stolen
As a general rule of thumb, when you steal something, you don't usually take it back to the owner.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 3:17 pm to bmy
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We've all heard about how they only received packets of pens and shite
You heard wrong, or weren't paying close enough attention. Of the 200+ involved, there WERE indeed some involved who received minor things like that, but we've also known all along that there were significant amounts involved with some of the athletes....we just didn't didn't have an amount to tie to a specific individual.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 3:31 pm to tuck
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As a general rule of thumb, when you steal something, you don't usually take it back to the owner.
When someone needs a $250 dollar book.. and does not have to pay for it -- they just got a free $250. Had they re-sold them to other students say.. for $100.. they would have gotten $350.
See? Hell, if I walked in to the bookstore and took it without paying for it.. i'd get arrested. Even if I was gonna bring it back at the end of my semester
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You heard wrong, or weren't paying close enough attention. Of the 200+ involved, there WERE indeed some involved who received minor things like that, but we've also known all along that there were significant amounts involved with some of the athletes....we just didn't didn't have an amount to tie to a specific individual.
The football team was supposedly receiving supplementary materials, etc. We all knew your other programs were intentionally making a buck. You're not shocked that you had $10k attributed to your football team?
This post was edited on 6/11/09 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 6/11/09 at 3:33 pm to tuck
Tuck, is that a dick on Saban's head?
Posted on 6/11/09 at 3:36 pm to bmy
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When someone needs a $250 dollar book.. and does not have to pay for it -- they just got a free $250. Had they re-sold them to other students say.. for $100.. they would have gotten $350.
See? Hell, if I walked in to the bookstore and took it without paying for it.. i'd get arrested. Even if I was gonna bring it back at the end of my semester
Dude, did you study at LSU or something?
If they get a $250 book, resell it for $100, they would have go to a bookstore in the end of the semester and pay $250. That's $150 loss, not $350 gain
This post was edited on 6/11/09 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 6/11/09 at 3:44 pm to aroussel3Tigers
erect elephant trunk...dick...its all the same thing.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 3:48 pm to bmy
quote:First, he got the book for free, so in your scenario he only got 100 in profit.
When someone needs a $250 dollar book.. and does not have to pay for it -- they just got a free $250. Had they re-sold them to other students say.. for $100.. they would have gotten $350.
Secondly, this 'hypothetical sold book' had to be taken back to the bookstore. All these books were returned. What dumb arse student is going to pay for a book he can't either keep or sell himself. Are you going to pay 100 bucks to use a book that you won't be able to keep or at least recoup some of your original cost? I didn't think so. Sorry, your theory just doesn't work.
This post was edited on 6/11/09 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 6/11/09 at 3:49 pm to neutrino
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If they get a $250 book, resell it for $100, they would have go to a bookstore in the end of the semester and pay $250. That's $150 loss, not $350 gain
not true. You only need the book for 1 semester, he gets a $100 for a $200 book, his friend pays him for it and gives it back at the end of the semester. His friend saves money and he makes money.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 3:50 pm to tuck
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Are you going to pay 100 bucks to use a book that you won't be able to keep or at least recoup some of your original cost? I didn't think so.
a lot of books are worth nothing after the semester is over, probably over 1/2 of them
Posted on 6/11/09 at 3:53 pm to tuck
If the bookstore didn't notice that they were down $23,000 dollars in revenue over a three year period, what would lead me to believe that they could account for all the books given improperly to student atheletes?
If you can't count cash, you can't count books either. You make your statement as if the university didn't know what was happening.
If you can't count cash, you can't count books either. You make your statement as if the university didn't know what was happening.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 3:59 pm to TigerConvert
If you notice, Bama was "unable" to provide records prior to 2005 though they were asked for them. In this day and age of data storage, that is total bullshite. This likely goes further back than 2005.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 4:03 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
You have no idea what you are talking about. I ask for medical and pharmacy records all the time and they never go back as far as I need them too. The answer is always "we don't keep records after blah blah years." It's very routine to discard old records.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 4:06 pm to TigerConvert
quote:The bookstore gets compensated by the players scholarship for the books. Unless you know of some information I'm not aware of, the bookstore was never "down 23,000 dollars in revenue." That's just an assumption on your part based on the some values placed on books and materials in an NCAA report.
bookstore didn't notice that they were down $23,000 dollars in revenue over a three year period
Posted on 6/11/09 at 4:23 pm to tuck
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The answer is always "we don't keep records after blah blah years." It's very routine to discard old records.
That is bullshite. Financial records like that are not discarded after 3 years. You are out of your fricking mind. Maybe they do not want to give them to you, but they have them. Hell, the IRS can audit back 6 years in cases that do not even involve fraud for underpayments over certain percentages. There is no way financial records are "discarded" after three years. You are the one with no clue.
Fact is Bama did not want to divulge the information and there was something in the inquiry or NCAA laws that allowed them to not supply info after a certain time period, so they gave a bullshite reply that they couldn't find the records.
This post was edited on 6/11/09 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 6/11/09 at 4:33 pm to tuck
Tuck, I understand what you are saying, but usually financial and other records are kept for a minimum of 6 years. Also, UA was on probation during this time, so it would have made sense for the school to keep all of these records, in case any question ever came up.
I think this sends the wrong message to schools. Since the NCAA just accepted this lack of documentation and did not (apparently) increase the penalties for that reason, it is like the NCAA is telling schools, "we won't consider any potential wrongful conduct if you have already gotten rid of the records."
Perhaps, among all of the other silly rules the NCAA does have, they should have record keeping requirements, with penalties for failure to produce the documents. These requirements should IMHO, be more strict and severe if the institution is on probation.
I think this sends the wrong message to schools. Since the NCAA just accepted this lack of documentation and did not (apparently) increase the penalties for that reason, it is like the NCAA is telling schools, "we won't consider any potential wrongful conduct if you have already gotten rid of the records."
Perhaps, among all of the other silly rules the NCAA does have, they should have record keeping requirements, with penalties for failure to produce the documents. These requirements should IMHO, be more strict and severe if the institution is on probation.
Posted on 6/11/09 at 4:58 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
quote:That's a bit of a stretch to call a log of what student got what textbook a "financial record".
Financial records
Posted on 6/11/09 at 5:51 pm to tuck
I am kinda glad they got a slap on the wrist. Guys there isnt a single college in america that does not have some of these things going on. Plus when we whip their arse this year it will mean something
Posted on 6/11/09 at 6:06 pm to ZATGRFAN
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I am kinda glad they got a slap on the wrist. Guys there isnt a single college in america that does not have some of these things going on. Plus when we get destroyed this year, there will be an excuse
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