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but there seems to be a lack of leadership with the program. Am I missing evidence of coaching with the guy?

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You're not missing anything. It's just not there. He's soft, weak, and apathetic. He doesn't belong, here. He's not ready for this level. He's overwhelmed. It's culture shock. This isn't the PAC12 or the NAIA. It's the whole square peg and round hole thing.

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don’t know that I’ve ever seen a team and quarterback go backwards like this year, it’s a damn head scratcher.

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It shouldn't be. It was completely expected and will be as long as he is here unless he miraculously transforms into something/someone he hasn't shown himself to be, yet.

Man, former players have been talking about issues for years. It isn’t a DeBoer thing.

At the end of the day it falls on his shoulders..


All these threads saying you guys can't blame Ty, it's not Deboers fault, yall weren't here for the bad times, you're this you're that. .

I'd really like to know who's fault that embarrassment of a game was?

It was a good year guys we beat au. Ut, ga, eventually ok....starting to sound like auburn now.

I think all coaches are struggling to motivate and develop immature kids who became multi-millionaires overnight.

Cignetti has specific personality traits that he recruits, valuing brains over sheer athletic ability in many cases. Transfer portal and NIL have evened the playing field so there has to be something left to differentiate good from great. It seems he is ahead of the curve right now.

You have to recruit self-starters with a brain. Big picture people. Especially at QB and other key leadership positions. You also need to supplement these types with portal moves while not being afraid to let the entitled and lazy ones walk away. Giving millions to 17 year olds without the proper psychological makeup will unfortunately not end well in many cases.

Deboer brought these types of kids over from Washington with him. That’s why I hold out hope that he can turn things around.

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Thats why Deboer will never be successful to the Alabama Standard. He is soft, lacks good fundamentals, mentally weak, hires friends instead of proven coaches, etc.

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Dude was a few caught passes away from winning a natty (watch that game. Penix was throwing dimes and his NFL receivers dropped everything) with worse players than what he has now.

He's got two more years to prove what he can do with a QB like Russell and a roster full of his players he recruited and brought in. Until then, saying he'll "never" live up to the 'Bama standard is ridiculous at this point.

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Dude was a few caught passes away from winning a natty

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Keep fooling yourself. Thats your choice. Or you can rewatch the Indian game and live in reality.

Except for Cignetti, and the jury is still out on him, there is nobody coaching in the final four like Saban did in his prime, because that only works when a coach can be an absolute dictator and require players to submit to a process, and how do you force someone to submit to a process when they make 7 figures and can choose to say F that process and walk and coaches have zero recourse?

This is my biggest fear. As a young teenage kid he instilled the word adversity in my brain and I’ve hated the fricking word since

Maybe.

Look I am not happy with DeBoer right now, but again it seems like everyone who is calling for every head coach of our program moving forward to come from the Saban tree until the Lord returns and all will be right with the world is, either deliberately or out of ignorance, ignoring the revolution in the sport that will make it difficult IMO for a coach to replicate Saban’s process in a sustained fashion with elite players.

You will notice the specific way I said that, to cover Cignetti. His success has everyone jumping up and down and turning cartwheels that the process lives. I don’t think he can sustain this playing Billy Bean in Moneyball assembling squads of hungry 3 stars he can “coach up.” He will have to dive into the big money pool of 5 star mercenaries and his schtick will wear thin just like Saban’s did at the end.

Don’t disagree with you an iota. But I don’t know if some people here really want what you described. They want Gunnery Sgt. Hartman from Full Metal Jacket.