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I give Belichick credit
Posted on 9/1/25 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 9/1/25 at 11:29 pm
In year one he had 40 transfer players, 70 new players, all new staff and when they lost… his first comment was, we got out coached and out played. (It wasn’t we are trying to mesh together, or we have new faces playing together and our timing was off). He took full responsibility because it starts and ends with him.
Hearing him, absolutely lets me know Debust is not a big time coach. The buck stops with the CEO no matter if you’re a small business owner, an electrician or a 100m football coach.
Saban would say it as well even when we would win.
Deboer is not a leader. True leaders own it and get better. I haven’t heard him say anything like that yet. I’ve only heard him do an abbot and Costello, who’s on first bull shite about not remembering him saying they had a great week in practice.
Hearing him, absolutely lets me know Debust is not a big time coach. The buck stops with the CEO no matter if you’re a small business owner, an electrician or a 100m football coach.
Saban would say it as well even when we would win.
Deboer is not a leader. True leaders own it and get better. I haven’t heard him say anything like that yet. I’ve only heard him do an abbot and Costello, who’s on first bull shite about not remembering him saying they had a great week in practice.
This post was edited on 9/1/25 at 11:34 pm
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Posted on 9/1/25 at 11:36 pm to RTRnFlorida
Still is bizarre he took the UNC job.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 11:47 pm to Chad4Bama
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Still is bizarre he took the UNC job.
I don't see any way his heart can be into it enough to have any kind of success at all. He's old, he clearly has other priorities (the skirt) and has no connection to the school. I get the feeling he'll put in like 2-3 very lackluster seasons and then retire for good and everyone will wonder WTF it was all ever about.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 11:51 pm to RTRnFlorida
So, your argument is that Belichick is better than Deboer?
Interesting.
Interesting.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 6:18 am to AlterDWI
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So, your argument is that Belichick is better than Deboer? Interesting.
No, his argument is that DeBoer appears to lack certain qualities and mindset that a coach like Belichick has.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 7:06 am to bodask42
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No, his argument is that DeBoer appears to lack certain qualities and mindset that a coach like Belichick has.
Solving the worlds problems this morning.. we can officially say Deboer isnt as good as a coach as Belichick and Saban. I was on the fence about that one, but yall have convinced me that he's not as good as arguably the two best coaches of all time.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 7:19 am to JoylessMurderball
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Solving the worlds problems this morning.. we can officially say Deboer isnt as good as a coach as Belichick and Saban. I was on the fence about that one, but yall have convinced me that he's not as good as arguably the two best coaches of all time.
You’re pretty simple minded so I’ll make it even make it more simple for you.
Comparing whether or not DeBoer is as good as Saban and Belichick is pointless, and that’s not what I or the OP was doing. Coaches can have varying levels of success, and no reasonable Bama fan expects every coach to be on the GOAT level with Saban or Belichick. However, good coaches should probably have some the traits that made those guys successful, like the buck stopping with them. DeBoer doesnt have it.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 7:35 am to JoylessMurderball
There are certain traits that you either have or don’t have. I’m a business owner, of depending on the week, 100-110 people. It’s a small company, and our staff and myself can train people how to build homes, and do certain things that our business requires, but I can’t in any way train and make people have “effort” and I can’t make them be “good people”. Giving people more money, or more time off might give them temporary effort but not long term sustainable effort and eventually there’s only so much money or perks to give.
They have to want it add Deboer and even our players doesn’t seem to want to have to earn it.
There’s an old saying; You already know who Jesus is, he’s either in your heart or he’s not.
My point is, he does not seem to have the traits or characteristics as to what it will take to be a great coach. Go look at Nicks press conference his very first time and listen to Deboers. He doesn’t need to be Saban or Belichick, but there are certain things to look for and if they’re not there, like my employees, you forever there arse and get those who want to earn it.
They have to want it add Deboer and even our players doesn’t seem to want to have to earn it.
There’s an old saying; You already know who Jesus is, he’s either in your heart or he’s not.
My point is, he does not seem to have the traits or characteristics as to what it will take to be a great coach. Go look at Nicks press conference his very first time and listen to Deboers. He doesn’t need to be Saban or Belichick, but there are certain things to look for and if they’re not there, like my employees, you forever there arse and get those who want to earn it.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 7:39 am to bodask42
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You’re pretty simple minded so I’ll make it even make it more simple for you.
Comparing whether or not DeBoer is as good as Saban and Belichick is pointless, and that’s not what I or the OP was doing. Coaches can have varying levels of success, and no reasonable Bama fan expects every coach to be on the GOAT level with Saban or Belichick. However, good coaches should probably have some the traits that made those guys successful, like the buck stopping with them. DeBoer doesnt have it.
I just dont think saying "the buck stops with me" makes anyone a good coach. I can show you countless clips of NFL coaches and owners saying that and most of them are pretty shitty coaches. Here is just a few that I found, Tom Herman, Chan Gailey, Jerry Jones, and Jim Irsay. Thats definitley a list of the most brilliant minds in football.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 7:41 am to RTRnFlorida
Who gives flying frick if a coach “owns it” to the media when they just got blown out. Think he’s owning it when he’s fricking his 26 year old girlfriend and not going over film?
Posted on 9/2/25 at 7:43 am to StansberryRules
actually, during the broadcast they did show a slight connection. belichick's dad coached at unc for a couple years when bill was a child. thin, i know. but more than nothing at all.
i like others view bb's taking the unc job as a head scratcher.
i like others view bb's taking the unc job as a head scratcher.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 7:45 am to RTRnFlorida
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My point is, he does not seem to have the traits or characteristics as to what it will take to be a great coach. Go look at Nicks press conference his very first time and listen to Deboers. He doesn’t need to be Saban or Belichick, but there are certain things to look for and if they’re not there, like my employees, you forever there arse and get those who want to earn it.
What are these certain things that he needed to say in his first press conference that would make him "not be Saban", but would make him have characteristics of a great coach. I think the most Saban thing about him is that he is who he is no matter what anyone thinks or says about him. He's not going to act like someone else because fans or talking heads says he should. I dont agree with his actions or mannerisms in a game, because I prefer a coach like Saban or Kirby. That doesnt mean Deboer is wrong for being himself though, because I can promise you that the players would see right through that.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 7:57 am to JoylessMurderball
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I just dont think saying "the buck stops with me" makes anyone a good coach.
The point is accountability. Successful businesses or teams all tend to have high levels of accountability from the top down. Kalen DeBoer doesnt even remember what he said last week (see the press conference yesterday) so how can he be accountable for anything he does or says if he doesnt recall or doesnt care? And if he doesnt hold himself accountable, how in the hell can he hold players accountable? He cant, and that’s why we have starters loafing around in games on Saturdays.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 9:37 am to RTRnFlorida
I mean, what else could Belichick have said? They got pulverized 48-14.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 10:14 am to bodask42
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And if he doesnt hold himself accountable, how in the hell can he hold players accountable? He cant, and that’s why we have starters loafing around in games on Saturdays.
So by misspeaking in one press conference he doesn't hold himself accountable? You have more information on Coach Deboer than guys who actually interact with him and know him?
Posted on 9/2/25 at 10:49 am to JoylessMurderball
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So by misspeaking in one press conference he doesn't hold himself accountable? You have more information on Coach Deboer than guys who actually interact with him and know him?
Multiple press conferences where he seems confused on what questions are even being asked. Looking lost on the sideline. Lackadaisical play in multiple games. Do I need to write a fricking thesis for you to get the point?
Are you being intentionally obstinate? What are you seeing with the team that has you so confident in DeBoer’ ability to coach at Bama?
I was optimistic until Saturday. Then we looked no better than the Oklahoma, Vandy, or Michigan games from last season. The team looks like shite and is not being held accountable for it, or else they would improve. Im glad you buy into all of the platitudes though. Must be nice to be that dumb.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 12:11 pm to bodask42
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Multiple press conferences where he seems confused on what questions are even being asked. Looking lost on the sideline. Lackadaisical play in multiple games. Do I need to write a fricking thesis for you to get the point?
Show me the other clips of the press conferences where he seems confused with what's being asked. Yesterday was the only time I can remember him misspeaking.
I personally don't understand the looking lost point. He looks completely engaged to me but to each their own.
Saban led teams have also looked and played this way. Just because he doesn't respond to them with tirades doesnt mean he isnt holding himself accountable.
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Are you being intentionally obstinate? What are you seeing with the team that has you so confident in DeBoer’ ability to coach at Bama?
I was optimistic until Saturday. Then we looked no better than the Oklahoma, Vandy, or Michigan games from last season. The team looks like shite and is not being held accountable for it, or else they would improve. Im glad you buy into all of the platitudes though. Must be nice to be that dumb.
Man you sound like someone who is a joy to be around. I dont believe Coach Deboer is the right fit currently, but that doesnt mean I dont think he holds himself accountable, or the players for that matter. My reasons for believing he's not the right fit are due to issues that have been happening at Alabama since after the 2020 season. But at the end of the day not one single person on this board knows what goes on at practice or in meetings. Like I said before, I will trust the people who actually interact with him to make those types of statements about him.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 12:20 pm to JoylessMurderball
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But at the end of the day not one single person on this board knows what goes on at practice or in meetings. Like I said before, I will trust the people who actually interact with him to make those types of statements about him.
Maybe youre just naive then. Why would you trust what anybody who claims to have knowledge of him and the program versus what your eyes see on Saturdays? The team looks like shite, plays soft, plays with a lack of effort, and they lose games they shouldnt. Maybe last year was forgiveable for some of that; but this is year 2 and the same thing just happened.
Who cares what happened since 2020 at this point? So because Saban had some issues in his last few years that makes it forgivable for the next coach to not take control and fix the issues?
You are correct that I am not very fun to be around when interacting with dumb people. Im getting dumber just trying to get on your level and explain this shite so Im gonna leave you to it
Posted on 9/2/25 at 2:22 pm to bodask42
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Who cares what happened since 2020 at this point? So because Saban had some issues in his last few years that makes it forgivable for the next coach to not take control and fix the issues?
Saban didnt leave this program in a good place. The only way to fix this program is to cut ties with Saban and "the Standard". The Standard has been dead since the 2021 season, and all players since then have acted entitled to that standard but have never earned it. There hasnt been fear associated with Alabama since then, but until you truly cut ties with that culture that hasnt been earned then we will keep seeing similar results. These players have shown up for years and thought they deserved to win just because they were Alabama. I believe Coach Deboer is trying to create his own culture outside of that, but isnt it a little strange the best two players on the team are Deboer guys and not Saban? You can tell that they work their arse off because they are truly hungry for success and dont think it should be given to them because they play at Alabama. I dont think Deboer can change the overall culture at Alabama, but we have to stop acting like he was given a great situation to deal with.
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