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Just noticed the no.1 player in the state for football in ‘26 is going to Okie lite

Posted on 6/26/25 at 8:54 am
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
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Posted on 6/26/25 at 8:54 am
Is this the new strat? Let them go to another program, let them house and develop them for a year or 2 then drop the bag?
Posted by Inadvertent Whistle
Atlanta, GA
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Posted on 6/26/25 at 11:45 am to
We don't have a bag for Football. It's more like a coin purse.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
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Posted on 6/26/25 at 12:12 pm to
Highest rated recruit for the cowpokes in the class. 4 star interior D lineman we let go out of state.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 6/26/25 at 1:06 pm to
We have a football team?
Posted by Clark14
Earth
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Posted on 6/26/25 at 1:07 pm to
I don’t put much stock in high school recruiting in Arkansas anymore. Heck, missou put up a billboard on the highway in pine bluff when they got crutchfield and laughed at us. Now he’s back here and best I can tell he’s not on the depth chart.

It’s a mess right now.
Posted by YumYum Sauce
Arkansas
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Posted on 6/26/25 at 2:07 pm to
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Is this the new strat? Let them go to another program, let them house and develop them for a year or 2 then drop the bag?


Unless you're a big time program this is your only shot at being competitive in this environment.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 6/26/25 at 2:07 pm to
Good point. Who was the last great nfl talent to come out of the state? Burks has been a bust and I can’t remember the one before him. I guess Dre greenlaw? There hasn’t been any big time players come out of state and even blow up for anyone else. Arkansas high school football is terrible. Even for a state our size we don’t produce much.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
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Posted on 6/26/25 at 5:03 pm to
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Arkansas high school football is terrible. Even for a state our size we don’t produce much.

that doesn't mean you can't find undeveloped talent. Organize coaching clinics to teach how players need to be developed. Most are just winging it.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 6/26/25 at 6:23 pm to
Arkansas doesn't need NFL impact caliber players.

They need college caliber impact players.

Matt Jones, Dmac, hillis, Mallett, wilson, Allen, etc all had much more of an impact in college than the NFL, which is all I care about.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 6:14 am to
Arkansas doesn't need NFL impact caliber players. They need college caliber impact players. ok
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Matt Jones, Dmac, hillis, Mallett, wilson, Allen
but all of those guys got drafted. Which is my point.
Posted by ArHog
Gulf Coast
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 6:57 am to
No worries, Remy Cofield is here to help 'ol Kobeer get things on the right track.


Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 12:56 pm to
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Just noticed the no.1 player in the state for football in ‘26 is going to Okie lite

Staying close to home is really not a thing anymore. Its about money. Plain and simple.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
18161 posts
Posted on 6/27/25 at 3:54 pm to
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that doesn't mean you can't find undeveloped talent. Organize coaching clinics to teach how players need to be developed. Most are just winging it.
I know you’re right but damn basketball and baseball don’t have that problem. We aren’t a big state but you’ll see a handful of guys from Arkansas in the big leagues and the nba in any given year. I don’t just mean razorbacks I mean FROM ARKANSAS. we just don’t seem to produce like that in football and I know a lot of the coaches in the state it’s not like they aren’t trying but the caliber of athlete just doesn’t want to come out for football it seems like. Anyone who has been around a pro level ball player or even college level for that matter, in any sport, understands how rare those body types come around and usually you want those guys in your program at the high school level no matter if that’s their specialty or not. Derian ford, Joseph pinion, Ty waid, 20 years ago would’ve played football at least throughout high school and see how far it takes them but I’ve talked to coaches that know all of those guys and they all stopped playing by at least the 9th grade. Look no further than Connor Noland. Even after he got to Arkansas he realized frick football this shite sucks.
This post was edited on 6/27/25 at 3:55 pm
Posted by Clark14
Earth
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 4:10 pm to
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Look no further than Connor Noland. Even after he got to Arkansas he realized frick football this shite sucks.


Many kids are opting for other sports no doubt. I encouraged my son to play 1 year of high school football just to see what it took and how it felt to be in the best shape of his life. He did that then chose baseball because he loved baseball.

That was a long time ago so the shift has been happening for awhile. The kids that excel in football in Arkansas are, for the most part, pretty much average at the next level and have been used to being the best without having to really work for it and don’t know how to adapt moving forward.

It’s not all of them but especially kids from the smaller schools who must have been shocked when they saw what a real 5 star looked like. Then they become the most athletic city worker on the whole dang garbage truck or water department crew.

But I painted with a broad brush so I apologize for that, I’ve just seen some things in the delta.
Posted by Hawgeye
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 5:12 pm to
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Arkansas high school football is terrible. Even for a state our size we don’t produce much.


I grew up in Arkansas. Played football in Arkansas in high school and college. I now call another state home and have friends in coaching here in this state. I’ll give you my take…some may not agree but I like my opinion, as most of you know.

It’s a coaching issue. It’s a paying coaches issue. It’s a coaching staff issue and requiring new coaches to adapt to the coaches already in place at their new schools. It’s requiring coaches to teach classes.

The key to a states talent production is your middle sized to small schools…so for Arkansas, that’s your 5A to 3A schools…coaches with tenure and their coaches in place regularly pump out athletes. See Warren High School. See Junction City (under David Carpenter). Those are just a couple examples that come to mind.

Living in a neighboring state, I’ve seen, talked, and read about how things go in a bit more talent rich state for football. Coached at small schools are paid $80-$120k…they stay and grow roots in a community and program for that salary. Once they are there a while, they’re involved in each schools elementary football program and those kids begin running their offense and defense in the early stages of their football careers. There are coaches who care enough to teach the proper fundamentals. The proper footwork. The proper conditioning. The proper strength training, etc.

If a coach leaves one school for another and is a winner, it’s always for more money and he can take his entire staff with him. See the Wagoner OK coach leaving for Muskogee OK this past off season. He took his entire staff. None will likely teach a second in the classroom. Their sole focus is football and winning.

The longest tenured coaches in Arkansas are at the most successful programs in the state. Most of those are at the 6A and 7A levels. Greenwood comes to mind. In the past, Southside and Bentonville come to mind with Lunney. Little Rock Central back in the day.

The state and school districts have to make a commitment to being okay with the football coach being the highest paid employee in the district and not teaching a class. Communities have to be okay footing a small tax increase to enhance facilities in their district.

That’s my opinion…having grown up in one state and now living in another.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 6/27/25 at 6:13 pm to
You are 100% correct. Every coach in Arkansas below 6a seems like Is required to teach a class and drive a bus. The small schools are really bad about this. They could not care less if their football teams go 0-10 as long as they have someone to cover route 6. Football might as well be just another club or activity to do for most of the Arkansas administration and school boards. In Texas, Louisiana and Oklahoma I know, football is made to be a priority down to the pee wee level Like you said.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
30925 posts
Posted on 6/27/25 at 8:24 pm to
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You are 100% correct. Every coach in Arkansas below 6a seems like Is required to teach a class and drive a bus. The small schools are really bad about this. They could not care less if their football teams go 0-10 as long as they have someone to cover route 6. Football might as well be just another club or activity to do for most of the Arkansas administration and school boards. In Texas, Louisiana and Oklahoma I know, football is made to be a priority down to the pee wee level Like you said.

Of course, that's really how it should be. Can't really justify using public funds for full time coaches.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
18161 posts
Posted on 6/27/25 at 9:09 pm to
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Can't really justify using public funds for full time coaches.
every state around us does. Which is why they are better at football. I’m not saying you’re wrong and perhaps our priorities are right as a state and those other states aren’t but the facts are that’s a big reason they’re better at football
Posted by YumYum Sauce
Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 6/28/25 at 11:08 am to
Can't afford it and won't ever

Those that CAN afford it won't invest in the current admin beyond hoops

Baseball is it's own thing and has been for some time
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