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Posted on 1/17/25 at 8:45 pm
Posted by PBD4BAMA
Sweet Home Alabama
Member since Dec 2014
5696 posts
Posted on 1/17/25 at 8:45 pm
college football players having universities by the throat...cancel their programs. No program, no paydays! Sadly, it will probably come to this in the future.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
19125 posts
Posted on 1/17/25 at 9:19 pm to
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There's only 1 way to counter...

college football players having universities by the throat...cancel their programs. No program, no paydays! Sadly, it will probably come to this in the future.


Or we can just ground ourselves in the world we live in and wait for all this shite to stabilize.

And no, it won't come to that in the future, not even close. The sport gets bigger and bigger every year. The NCAA made 1.3 billion dollars last year, and the Alabama's of the world make massive profits off college football.

Who's tuning out? Who's stopped watching? Not me. The fact of the matter is that there are aspects of this new football dynamic that I like. I've come to appreciate the lessened emotional investment I have in all this.

I can watch the games now and instead of being pissed off, I can actually be entertained by all this frickery. Instead of "supporting the players" because they represent the school and the state, I can shite all over them when they frick up at their jobs. Jobs they're being paid millions to do. The lie of the "dream school" is finally over. We don't have to live that bullshite anymore.

Anyway, I'm praddling. Alls I'm trying to say is this. There's a bright side. This sport doesn't have to ruin your Saturday anymore.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
17881 posts
Posted on 1/17/25 at 9:35 pm to
You sound like a liberal.

There needs to be controls in place because things are getting crazy but to throw a fit because you don't like free market is wild.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
8796 posts
Posted on 1/17/25 at 9:39 pm to
The problem here is college administrators. They're so committed to their values of not paying fair wages for labor if at all possible and dressing it up in the guise of academia that they'll just cook the golden goose before doing what they knew had to be done 10 or more years ago.
This post was edited on 1/17/25 at 9:40 pm
Posted by CrimsonCrusade
Member since Jan 2014
5537 posts
Posted on 1/17/25 at 9:41 pm to
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The fact of the matter is that there are aspects of this new football dynamic that I like. I've come to appreciate the lessened emotional investment I have in all this


I see where you're coming from but it's a pretty sad statement if the best defense of this system is "At least it means I don't have to care that much anymore."
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
8796 posts
Posted on 1/17/25 at 9:50 pm to
I don't think this feeling is showing up where it counts yet. College administrators would get real and do what is obvious to fix this mess if their broadcasting partners start griefing them about declining ratings.

Caring less ain't going to work. Quit buying tickets and stop watching.
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
14477 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 7:05 am to
Start canceling all other athletics.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
17881 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 7:37 am to
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Start canceling all other athletics.


I never understood how it's somehow okay for college football to be used to generate money to subsidize every other sport.

What made it worse for me is when the other sports complained any time you got an extra benefit as if they generate anything and weren't there merely from your own hard work and contribution.

I'm not against other sports but they should actually be profitable and self-sustaining. They shouldn't depend signficiablntly on the money football generates to take care of the entire athletic department.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
8796 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 8:14 am to
That's not going to happen without a gutting of Title IX.
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
14477 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 9:19 am to
All we have to do is cancel the same number of male and female sports.
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
79432 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 9:46 am to
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There needs to be controls in place because things are getting crazy


Who is going to enforce the controls?

The NCAA has effectively been neutered by the courts.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
8796 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 9:52 am to
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All we have to do is cancel the same number of male and female sports.


I’m not sure that’s true. I think it is equality in scholarship offers which is why men’s baseball is stuck offering partials at many schools and there are actually more women teams competing in the NCAA at schools fielding football.
This post was edited on 1/18/25 at 9:53 am
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
23794 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 9:54 am to
Yeah I don't know what can be done right now. Honestly the only thing I can imagine is something very drastic. Like the SEC and Big 10 adding more teams and splitting off to make their own division. No more NCAA. And maybe they mostly dissociate the teams from the schools and make them part of the school in name only. Probably some other things too.

But whatever will happen, I think the sport will be barely recognizable in 10 years. Either way all the those idiots that argued for this happen in the name of 'fairness' will realize this was never motivated by 'fairness'
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
57734 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 10:51 am to
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You sound like a liberal.

There needs to be controls in place because things are getting crazy but to throw a fit because you don't like free market is wild.


Colleges are government entities. There is no free market argument to be made.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
7264 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 2:24 pm to
The dirty secret is that university big wigs have used their athletic departments to enrich themselves. As long as the $$ is coming in, they will sell out anything
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
7264 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 2:31 pm to
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quote:
There needs to be controls in place because things are getting crazy


Who is going to enforce the controls?

The NCAA has effectively been neutered by the courts.



Congress is the only answer...but Congress would be incredibly scared of the optics of taking money away from young black kids

The compromise has to be that academics cant get one single dime of athletics revenue other than leasing university property and athletes must get a share of revenue. Athletic departments are more or less gonna have to be separate entities.
Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
15987 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 3:14 pm to
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Athletic departments are more or less gonna have to be separate entities.
That's more-or-less how it is already at Bama. Saban actually funneled more money towards the rest of campus than any coaching admin I've seen in the last 30 or so years. IA paid for the restoration of Foster Auditorium, funded a bit more than half the Bama Cares Fund after the tornado, paid for dorm. And dining upgrades that were/are for use by everyone, and contributed to grant & research funds for the faculty. But if you try to dig into the details of their financials you're not going to find them willing to share exact details like on the rest of the campus (not that they're happy to do it, either, but they will comply with the law without a fight).

I think everyone is waiting on the result of the court case to see what the next step is. I don't think any serious observers thought nil was a bad idea in terms of a kid getting to profit from jerseys with his name on them or doing a commercial for the local tire store. But most would probably agree that open-ended retainer fees guised as nil endorsements isn't good for anyone when they are used to essentially buy players.

Still, I think the damn unlimited transfer portal is the real cancer. It destroys the entire team concept and creates a gaggle of players who engage in 12+ games, half of which are played on the grounds of a school they are only nominally associated with. And it allows players to essentially extort the program after a good year by threatening to leave if they don't pony up more cash. Plus, you can't earn a college degree that way because most schools have a minimum hour in residency requirement and everyone has to abide by federal satisfactory progress guidelines. No way these portal pals that are jumping every year are doing either and that strikes at the essence of what college athletics was supposed to be about.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
12393 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 3:22 pm to
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They're so committed to their values of not paying fair wages for labor if at all possible and dressing it up in the guise of academia


Just to be clear players/athletes are not recognized as labor.

Also people need to realize any university that receives any amount from the federal government is required to follow Title 9 for their employees as well. Colleges are not like a regular business in regard to how they handle employment.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
12393 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 3:25 pm to
The only way this will get under control and avoid the courts/government getting involved is to make athletes employees whereas they will sign contracts to play for said program.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
12393 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 3:27 pm to
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Start canceling all other athletics.


No way with Title 9 in place even if athletes are considered employees.

Now if football and let's say basketball broke away as separate entities for those specific athletes to be label employees maybe. If that could happen it will help the rest of sports especially on the men's side that could be started on many campuses but are no longer there or never were because of Title 9
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