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Serious question…how did the Tennessee football program fall so far…
Posted on 12/22/24 at 10:32 am
Posted on 12/22/24 at 10:32 am
Out of the outstanding-elite class?
Over 26 years without a championship for a football program with their history is insane…they have now been passed up by multiple other football programs and the kids growing up now have never known Tennessee to be a big time football program
Over 26 years without a championship for a football program with their history is insane…they have now been passed up by multiple other football programs and the kids growing up now have never known Tennessee to be a big time football program
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Posted on 12/22/24 at 10:32 am to PurpleSingularity
Bad coaching hires
Posted on 12/22/24 at 10:37 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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Bad coaching hires
Worse than LSU? Even with mediocre coaching hires LSU has moved past Tennessee quite comfortably…I would think maybe the lack of high-school talent in the state coupled with the bad hires…can’t have both of those working against you
Posted on 12/22/24 at 10:37 am to PurpleSingularity
Karma.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 10:41 am to PurpleSingularity
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Worse than LSU? Even with mediocre coaching hires LSU has moved past Tennessee quite comfortably…I would think maybe the lack of high-school talent in the state coupled with the bad hires…can’t have both of those working against you
Yes
Sat with fat Phil for too long and then Kiffin absolutely imploded what was left of the program. I still think Clemson becoming good had a big effect on recruiting that they use to get but now that they sucked, kids went to Clemson. Now that Clemson is kinda sucking, they are getting them again.
Without the NIL, they would still be pretty awful. They were one of the ones that really took advantage of that.
This post was edited on 12/22/24 at 10:42 am
Posted on 12/22/24 at 10:43 am to Dam Guide
Agree on the NIL part…WHEN NLI is re-structured, Tennessee will suffer…this was their only shot and they couldn’t have choked any worse
Posted on 12/22/24 at 10:45 am to PurpleSingularity
30 years of bad administration and leadership will do that sort of thing. These past four years have been the first period since i was a preteen that the athletic department was genuinely committed to competing in football, instead of just signing a check and praying that the rabid fanbase would keep them in the black. Danny White has knocked it out of the park with pretty much every sport but the legacy ones at Tennessee, and he might have fixed Womens BB with this last hire. Its possible to take the next step, but there needs to be staff changes and Im sure Danny White understands that.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 10:55 am to ptclaus98
Kiffin seems to be doing pretty well at Ole Miss…why was it so difficult for him at Tennessee?
I think football recruiting at a high level has been difficult for the vols…poor instate talent but that’s not the whole story
I think football recruiting at a high level has been difficult for the vols…poor instate talent but that’s not the whole story
Posted on 12/22/24 at 10:57 am to PurpleSingularity
He stayed one year and bolted - geez
Posted on 12/22/24 at 11:01 am to Cleary Rebels
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He stayed one year and bolted - geez
He sure did
Posted on 12/22/24 at 11:04 am to PurpleSingularity
Kiffin didn’t look bad his one year at Tennessee. They might have been a lot better off had he stayed, but they also might have gotten a much worse penalty from the NCAA too. lol
Posted on 12/22/24 at 11:05 am to PurpleSingularity
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Worse than LSU? Even with mediocre coaching hires LSU has moved past Tennessee quite comfortably…I would think maybe the lack of high-school talent in the state coupled with the bad hires…can’t have both of those working against you
Yes. You can be above average if you just recruit the boot. Tennessee is dependent on other states for talent. And Les Miles and Brian Kelly are way above young Lane, Dooley, and Pruitt. Jury is still out on Bobby Hill
Posted on 12/22/24 at 11:16 am to PurpleSingularity
Even with mediocre coaching hires LSU has moved past Tennessee quite comfortably
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Thanks for the laugh! I need it this morning. By what objective measure is LSU better than Tennessee in Football? Basketball? Baseball? None, none, and none. Thanks again for the satire.
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Thanks for the laugh! I need it this morning. By what objective measure is LSU better than Tennessee in Football? Basketball? Baseball? None, none, and none. Thanks again for the satire.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 11:20 am to BigScoreboard
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Thanks for the laugh! I need it this morning. By what objective measure is LSU better than Tennessee in Football? Basketball? Baseball? None, none, and none. Thanks again for the satire.
Dude, it’s ok…I know it stings.
Tennessee is a much better basketball program than LSU…not sure about historically, but over the last 15 years, no doubt….see, that’s being reasonable.
Now, no one, besides a few idiot vol fans, thinks Tennessee has a better football or baseball program than LSU…not even close…I would use objective measures like, oh I don’t know, SEC and national championships for starters
Since 2000, baseball and football at LSU blows Tennessee completely away and it’s a waste of time to argue that
This post was edited on 12/22/24 at 11:21 am
Posted on 12/22/24 at 11:23 am to PurpleSingularity
Multiple layers to answer this question
1) Fulmer got fatter and happy when he won it all in 98. He quit recruiting as hard as he once had. Thought recruits would walk on their hands and knees to play at UT. He also didn’t evolve as the game evolved.
2) LSU fans love this one: the 2001 SECCG. It was the last time the Vols were prominent on the national stage. Blew a chance to play for another natty. The real drop off began there.
3) The brutal ‘05 season. Preseason top 5 turned into 5-6 and no bowl game
4) The ‘08 season. If Fulmer hadn’t lost the team three years earlier, he had now.
5) Lane Kiffin bolting during the middle of recruiting and just a couple of weeks before national signing day. I think he could have kept the program relevant if he stuck around, but his dream job called. That led to the desperation hire of Dooley. The program sank to the abyss for more than a decade.
1) Fulmer got fatter and happy when he won it all in 98. He quit recruiting as hard as he once had. Thought recruits would walk on their hands and knees to play at UT. He also didn’t evolve as the game evolved.
2) LSU fans love this one: the 2001 SECCG. It was the last time the Vols were prominent on the national stage. Blew a chance to play for another natty. The real drop off began there.
3) The brutal ‘05 season. Preseason top 5 turned into 5-6 and no bowl game
4) The ‘08 season. If Fulmer hadn’t lost the team three years earlier, he had now.
5) Lane Kiffin bolting during the middle of recruiting and just a couple of weeks before national signing day. I think he could have kept the program relevant if he stuck around, but his dream job called. That led to the desperation hire of Dooley. The program sank to the abyss for more than a decade.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 11:27 am to Volsfan82169
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Multiple layers to answer this question 1) Fulmer got fatter and happy when he won it all in 98. He quit recruiting as hard as he once had. Thought recruits would walk on their hands and knees to play at UT. He also didn’t evolve as the game evolved. 2) LSU fans love this one: the 2001 SECCG. It was the last time the Vols were prominent on the national stage. Blew a chance to play for another natty. The real drop off began there. 3) The brutal ‘05 season. Preseason top 5 turned into 5-6 and no bowl game 4) The ‘08 season. If Fulmer hadn’t lost the team three years earlier, he had now. 5) Lane Kiffin bolting during the middle of recruiting and just a couple of weeks before national signing day. I think he could have kept the program relevant if he stuck around, but his dream job called. That led to the desperation hire of Dooley. The program sank to the abyss for more than a decade.
Thanks for the clear and lucid answer, I’ll have to remember your handle as someone who is willing to be reasonable and realistic…it’s interesting that you can trace things back to discrete events and not point to chronic issues within the program only…interesting…and yes, I could literally hear the air being let out of the vol football program in 2001, that was tough to recover from
Posted on 12/22/24 at 11:27 am to PurpleSingularity
Tennessee has a better football or baseball program than LSU
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Sorry, I thought we were talking about now, 2024. When Tennessee was 10-2, 6-2 and LSU was 8-4, 5-3. Or national title in baseball for Tennessee, not so much for LSU. Or Tennessee ranked #1 in basketball, LSU not so much.
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Sorry, I thought we were talking about now, 2024. When Tennessee was 10-2, 6-2 and LSU was 8-4, 5-3. Or national title in baseball for Tennessee, not so much for LSU. Or Tennessee ranked #1 in basketball, LSU not so much.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 11:30 am to PurpleSingularity
Georgia recruits out of state and nation wide because they can.
Tennessee does the same because they have to.
Tennessee does the same because they have to.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 11:30 am to BigScoreboard
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Sorry, I thought we were talking about now, 2024. When Tennessee was 10-2, 6-2 and LSU was 8-4, 5-3. Or national title in baseball for Tennessee, not so much for LSU. Or Tennessee ranked #1 in basketball, LSU not so much.
Ok, I see…let me help you….there is a difference, and it’s not just semantics, between the words “team” and “program”
Posted on 12/22/24 at 11:34 am to Dam Guide
they also might have gotten a much worse penalty from the NCAA too
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Please list the major offenses Lane Kiffin amassed at Tennessee. You can't because there weren't any. He left 6 minor violations. Some schools commit that many before breakfast. This misconception was created by other coaches and media to hurt Tennessee in recruiting. Stand up to Urban Meyer? How dare he?
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Please list the major offenses Lane Kiffin amassed at Tennessee. You can't because there weren't any. He left 6 minor violations. Some schools commit that many before breakfast. This misconception was created by other coaches and media to hurt Tennessee in recruiting. Stand up to Urban Meyer? How dare he?
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