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Time to change the type of coaches you hire...

Posted on 12/17/24 at 2:10 am
Posted by Tw1st3d
Member since Jul 2017
886 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 2:10 am
With the portal and NIL the type of staff you hire needs to change.

The head Coach needs to be the primary closer

The general manager and his staff needs to manage protal and HS recruiting.

The on-the-field staff needs to be teachers first

The support staff need to be tallent evaluators for next year's team.

You now have to get 2/3 of your front line players ready to go between the start of spring and the 1st game of the season. Then you rinse and repeat for the next season. The TEACHERS must be good at getting the new players ready to roll in season one.

If you want to compete, developmental players need to be a thing of the past. They have no place in the game anymore at the top level.
Posted by BCBAMA
Southeast Alabama
Member since Apr 2016
954 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 2:50 am to
I agree. I wish DeBoer would hire back a large group of analysts, which obviously would help with game prep, among other things. This is one of the main mistakes he made this year in getting rid of all prior analysts and not hiring any of his own. It’s a new day which calls for a new way. It’s now the nature of the beast regarding college football, and whether anyone likes or dislikes it, it is here to stay for a long time, apparently.
Posted by Sl0thstronautEsq
Antarctica
Member since Aug 2018
13038 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 3:26 am to
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This is one of the main mistakes he made this year in getting rid of all prior analysts and not hiring any of his own.


He had 11 off-field analysts & special assistants (that I know of) this year:
Kirk Barron
Ryan Trevathan
Matt Shadeed
Mitch Dahlen
Jamey Mosely
Ali Smith
Ron McKeefery
John McNulty
Jay Nunez
Chuck Morrell
Mark Sheridan

EDIT to clarify the list is analysts/special assistants.
This post was edited on 12/17/24 at 6:59 am
Posted by BCBAMA
Southeast Alabama
Member since Apr 2016
954 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 3:43 am to
I wasn’t aware of that. Thank you for the information.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
17881 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 6:44 am to
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He had 11 off-field analysts (that I know of) this year:
Kirk Barron
Ryan Trevathan
Matt Shadeed
Mitch Dahlen
Jamey Mosely
Ali Smith
Ron McKeefery
John McNulty
Jay Nunez
Chuck Morrell
Mark Sheridan


What a disingenuous list...

Out of that list FIVE could be considered as analyst and TWO of the analyst have SEC experience. We play against teams that a team of people who are SEC experienced who are experienced coordinators or players whose full job is to breakdown game film, advise tactics, strategies and adjustments.

KDB, Sheridan and Wommack have a team of comfortable allies, yes men and even a sibiling. The list is so bad it's included Strength and Conditining coaches and a female secretary who worked got KDB in Washington.

- Jay Nunez is not an analyst, he's our ST coach.

- Chuck Morrell is a special assistant to KDB, his old roommate he is not an off-field guy hired to be an anaylst

- Mitch Dahlen is an offensive analyst which came with KDB

- Mark Sheridan is our OCs brother

- Ron McKeefery is not an analyst, he was KDB's old Strength and Conditining coach with no on-field experience

- Kirk Barron is a young OL assistant coach

- Ryan Trevathan is an offensive analyst they hired from a Mississippi community College

- Matt Shadeed came with Wommack and is the only one including the Saban holdover with any SEC experience but he has mainly been an Strength and Conditioning coach. He is not an experienced analyst

- John McNulty and James Mosley are actually anaylst which were under Saban and brought back while the rest were let go.


Also, Ali Smith is a female assistant that helps KDB.



Any questions to why our defense can't adjust when Kirby's can is easily found here. Also I think John McNulty is the offensive guru I have been wondering who was helping Rees at halftime last season. He was one of two holdover KDB kept when he foolishly let go of Saban's entire analyst network.
Posted by Sl0thstronautEsq
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Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 12/17/24 at 6:57 am to
You are right, my list was of "analysts" and "special assistants."

quote:

Jay Nunez is not an analyst, he's our ST coach.


He's an off-field coach. and his official title is "Special Assistant to Head Coach/Special Teams Senior Analyst" so I'd call him an analyst

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Chuck Morrell is a special assistant to KDB, his old roommate he is not an off-field guy hired to be an anaylst


Do you actually know what his role is as a "special assistant"? Do you know that he's not doing any type of analyst work?

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Mark Sheridan is our OCs brother


Yes, you're quite astute. He's also an...analyst.

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Ron McKeefery is not an analyst, he was KDB's old Strength and Conditining coach with no on-field experience


He's a special assistant to KDB, so again, do you actually know what his role is as a "special assistant"? Do you know that he's not doing any type of analyst work?

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Kirk Barron is a young OL assistant coach


He's an analyst on staff

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I'm too lazy to go on, but you get the point. You should let KDB know that his staff isn't up to your standards.

This post was edited on 12/17/24 at 6:59 am
Posted by Amarillo Tide
Amarillo, TX
Member since Aug 2023
958 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 7:43 am to
Exactly. CKD has forgotten more about football and how to run a program than 99% of the people on this board will ever know. This doesn't mean he's flawless or never makes mistakes but to think or imply he doesn't know what he's doing is absurd.

Frankly, I don't care where an analyst or assistant came from as long as they know what they're doing and add value to the program.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
3669 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 8:45 am to
No, don’t you know? We need R. Lee Ermey from Full Metal Jacket on the sidelines screaming, kicking asses and “coaching people up” and “turning boys into men” circa 1966. That’s all it takes, this newfangled stuff can get off my lawn.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
17881 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 8:55 am to
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I'm too lazy to go on, but you get the point. You should let KDB know that his staff isn't up to your standards.



I was using Saban's standard dummy.

Instead of owning the fact you gave a list half of which were strength and condition coaches and a secretary, you edit your post trying to explain why you are right and double down with this dumb shite.

Hey maybe our head coach can learn a thing or two from the GOAT head coach who had a team of analyst who studied and broke down film, helped with gameplaning and adjustments.

Hey maybe just maybe that is one of the reasons this coach struggled with adjustments and at times with gameplanning for Vandy and Oklahoma.

Seems Kirby Smart, Sark and others see the value in hiring a bunch of analyst who know the league and have experience with playing or coordinating.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
17881 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 8:57 am to
quote:

Exactly. CKD has forgotten more about football and how to run a program than 99% of the people on this board will ever know. This doesn't mean he's flawless or never makes mistakes but to think or imply he doesn't know what he's doing is absurd.


Yes and Nick Saban has forgotten more about football then KDB currently knows apparently.

Again because some of you are too slow to keep up; we are using Nick Saban's standards here. So go cry at him about being so dumb to hiring a team of football analyst.
Posted by Sl0thstronautEsq
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Member since Aug 2018
13038 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 9:02 am to
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YStar


Posted by CrimsonCrusade
Member since Jan 2014
5537 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 10:29 am to
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No, don’t you know? We need R. Lee Ermey from Full Metal Jacket on the sidelines screaming, kicking asses and “coaching people up” and “turning boys into men” circa 1966. That’s all it takes, this newfangled stuff can get off my lawn


I mean you make this joke (apropos of nothing pretty much), but this honestly was a lot better. The sport focusing on developing kids athletically and personally is a lot healthier than the current situation of bidding wars for high school seniors based on hype. You might think this is better for the athletes, but the timeline of pro athlete bankruptcies suggests they're not being well served in the long run.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
17881 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 10:50 am to
Yap yap yap that's exactly what you did.

You responded BCBAMA's post desiring more anaylst yet were too stupid to realize of the list you gave one of them is a secretary, 2 are SC coaches and only 5 have actual on-field experience and play the role of an analyst.

Instead of admitting you're wrong you show yourself as chickenshit and edit your posts adding things that didn't have anything to do with the actual post you quoted.

You get mad at me for giving detailed information regarding your list which proved you knew absolutely NOTHING and copy pasted from online.

I'm still wondering how the secretary and SC coaches help with game prep and adjustments Anyways I'm sure your dumbass will ignore this and continue to post meme's because you don't have an actually response to the BCBAMA's post which was asking for Nick Saban sized team of analyst.
Posted by Sl0thstronautEsq
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Member since Aug 2018
13038 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 11:01 am to
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YStar


JFC, this is the last response you'll get from me on this matter.

Yes, including his personal assistant in that list was a mistake, but I made that post at 4:26am ET on my way to the gym. So I edited it later to clarify. Sue me.

As for the rest of the list, you have literally no idea what responsibilities each of those guys have as a "personal assistant" to the coach. Perhaps, they're labeled as "personal assistants" instead of "analysts" so that they can receive a higher salary? Again, you have no idea how their role(s) differ from past Saban "analysts" and "personal assistants."

But sure, let's blame the analysts/personal assistants he has chosen for our inability to make adjustments in the Vandy/OU games (like you seem to suggest), rather than, ya know, the actual coordinators or players.

Good day sir!



ETA: I love how you call me a dumbass when your grasp of the English language is tenuous at best (bruh, you wrote "meme's" )
This post was edited on 12/17/24 at 11:29 am
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
3669 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 11:30 am to
I was absolutely being facetious but there’s an element of fans who will argue that.

And you see it with cries for some individual or entity to come riding in on a white horse, whether it’s Nick Saban, Donald Trump or the NCAA, to restore all that is good and righteous and, especially, put these uppity players in their place.

This absolutely cannot continue to be an unfettered Wild West landscape. The problem is fixing it will require once and for all ending people’s naive illusions of what the sport is. Which means employee status and negotiated agreements.

If that ruins the sport, at least kills old school fans’ interest, then it ruins the sport. Because what once was is not going to be anymore.
This post was edited on 12/17/24 at 11:36 am
Posted by biggsc
Member since Mar 2009
34605 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 12:00 pm to
I miss this kind of coaching
Saban Mentality
Posted by biggsc
Member since Mar 2009
34605 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 12:04 pm to
How has Courtney Morgan done this year?
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
17881 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 12:12 pm to
Stop saving face wire excuses and just own the fact you said some stupid.

When BCBAMA is asking about analyst he is asking about people with experience to build gameplans and make adjustments not fuccking strength and condition coaches who know absolutely nothing about that.

You didn't even know their roles you just listed them and didn't even realize one was his female secretary till I listed who they were and their experience level.

In the end you're a clown, so I'm glad you won't respond with more excuses and reasons.


What we need is KDB to not be a clown like you and learn from having a smaller staff this year. He needs to embrace that Nick Saban did having a bigger staff to help him gameplan, adjust and recruit.
Posted by JoylessMurderball
Member since Sep 2024
129 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 12:14 pm to
quote:


How has Courtney Morgan done this year?


Top 3 recruiting class.
Posted by biggsc
Member since Mar 2009
34605 posts
Posted on 12/17/24 at 12:15 pm to
CKD needs to overhaul that list and get some grinders as analysts
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