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Posted on 11/13/24 at 7:39 am
Posted by SemperFiDawg
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 11/13/24 at 7:39 am
I think every coach has them. I'll define it as that aspect of their coaching philosophy that hinders or undermines their ability to consistently win. Mark Richt for all of his leadership qualities had several. Dabo in his rejection to embrace the Portal. Mullen and his lack of prioritizing recruiting. The list is endless. Like I said, every coach has them. Even Saban had to be dragged kicking and screaming into updating his offensive philosophy and eventually rejected the new landscape ushered in by NIL and retired.

Kirby has some blind spots also. For all of his coaching acumen, and it's vast and deep, I think we have enough of a body of work to say his focus on recruiting and developing the OL isn't his top priority and his utilization of the QB position is awkward to put it mildly.

Regarding the QB position: the fact is we've had some highly rated QBs on the roster for Kirby's entire tenure. Couple that with the fact that our best QB, perhaps the best who has ever played at the University, was a kid who never received a scholarship until injuries forced it. Even then he would have never saw the field if it weren't for transfers and injuries. Think about that for a minute. We won 2 National Championships for all intents and purposes, not by design, but by sheer happenstance at the QB position. For whatever reason Stetson was never embraced by the coaches. That's a glaring problem. Even after the first NC there was so much uncertainty and lack of faith in Stetson that he made the quip about, "where I'll be playing next year." Whatever commentary you care to draw from that comment regarding Kirby's and Stetson's relationship, it isn't positive. He went on to win another NC, and despite all the awards heaped on him by literally everyone: coaches, peers and pundits not to mention MVP in how many BCS games?, his winning did nothing to change the way the staff evaluate QBs. They are still stuck in Pro Style 4-5 star recruit mindset and their recruiting continues to reflect that. I don't know that there's anything per se wrong with that, but one would think that if a guy who never fit your mold as QB won you two NCs, you would maybe rethink your paradigm and how you evaluate QBs.

Now we have Beck who is by all accounts fits the prototypical Pro Style 4-5 Star recruit that have filled Kirby's rosters and reflect his preference. Beck has 4 years in the system and has started the last 2. To say he's regressed would be a MASSIVE understatement. He's fell into an abyss, and at least in part, on a psychological level, drug to some degree or another the entire team down with him. Where do you lay that except at the feet of the coaching?

It just seems to me for all of Kirby's great qualities that assessment, recruitment, and development of QB (and OL to a lesser degree) has been and continues to be his blind spot. Will he like Saban, have enough self awareness and humility to see and and make the changes needed, or will he like Dabo, dig his heels in and double down? I think the answer to this will determine the trajectory of our program going forward.

Let me be clear. I'm not disparaging anyone. I'm not here to debate or denigrate any other forum members. I may be completely off base and absolutely wrong. This is just my .02 as a fan.
This post was edited on 11/13/24 at 7:53 am
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
89443 posts
Posted on 11/13/24 at 7:52 am to
QB is a funky one. I think if you showed some outsider from another country that didn't know anything about the stiuations they'd say "yeah that's weird. Definitly subpar" but there's so much more to it than that.

-We started Kirby's tenure being handed a bum and a promising true freshman. Year 2 everyone expected the now-sophomore to take a huge stride and he was hurt in the 1st quarter of the season and out half the year
-A solidly rated 4* filled the void and played admirably. We brought in the #1 QB recruit in america so on paper thsi is great. But that player then decided that since he wasn't starting halfway through his TFR season he was going to pout and leave before the season even ended. Idc who the coach is that's going to mess up your future plans at hte position.
-In 2020 we started the year with a dual threat that did well at a lower ACC school (projected starter), a dual threat that was solidly rated in HS, and a very highly rated pro style from one of the top feeder HSs in America who happened to be hurt to start the season. It's hard to disparage anything about the QB room right now from a recruiting standpoint. But then the projected starter quit, the other dual threat had a brain injury and ended up sucking, so we were left with a 2* undersized former walkon and the aformentioned highly rated transfer.
-We've landed a highly rated dual threat QB who has since transferred to another SEC school, and one of the most decorated GA HS QBs in history who apparently just doens't have what it takes at thsi level and will probably never play.
-Last year we had a year+ long committmenet from one of the best HS QBs in the country who uprooted his family to move 45 minutes from Athens but were then spurned at th elast minute when they held their hand out demanding more money.


We've had some frustration at the position to be certain but I don't necessarily fault Kirby for much of it, if not most of it. Some things are simply beyond your control and in today's portal/NIL era that's even tougher. Honestly Carson's regression from last year to this is probably the biggest, hell maybe even only, thing that I can say we've really kinda flubbed from a QB developmetn on-field perspective.

Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
14398 posts
Posted on 11/13/24 at 8:00 am to
I share your perspective.
Kirby has won 2 out of the last 3 national championships so even helpful criticism will likely not be well received by many fans but any objective observer can see that our current team is not a championship level team compared to our previous teams.
I'm pretty sure Kirby sees the issues and knows he might have to make so tough choices relative to our offense in terms of both our coaching staff and the players we recruit and how we recruit them in this new portal/NIL age.
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
15584 posts
Posted on 11/13/24 at 8:33 am to
QB is the most misjudged position coming out of high school. From level of competition, to these hs offenses who use shuffle passes to pad passing stats in place of the hand off in the run game, to the level of the kids wrs.

5star qbs, if they are legit, should be able to run an O as freshmen, moreso as a RS Freshman....

These other guys can't beat Beck out so he is the guy. Thr nfl is making hideously awful decisions drafting qbs now... Bryce, Richardson, Levis are all terrible. Fields can't seem to put it together and he was very productive at osu.
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
14398 posts
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:05 am to
quote:

QB is the most misjudged position coming out of high school.


It's a quandary to be sure.
Part of the issue seems to be identity.
Do you recruit the "best" player you can get at QB position regardless of whether he's tall pocket passer or do you focus on athletic dual=threat QBs?

If you go with a pocket passer like Beck, you better have a darn good OL to protect him which seems to be our current problem.
If you can get a top dual-threat QB, then you need to have a more athletic OL and and OC who runs an offense that can optimize an athletic QB.

From my perspective, the choice for a college team is obvious, an athletic dual-threat QB literally gives your offense more options and is less reliant on having the very best huge OL.
We won both of our recent national championships with the athletic Stetson Bennett.
9 of the 12 highest ranked teams in current College Football Playoff Rankings have dual-threat QBs:
1. Oregon
2. Ohio St.
5. Indiana
6. BYU
7. Tennessee
8. Notre Dame
9. Miami
10. Alabama
11. Ole Miss

The obvious question: Why haven't we been able to get one of the star athletic quarterbacks? And if the answer is: We prefer a pocket passer, then why haven't we recruited OL who can protect this type of QB? And if the answer to that is that we have, then why aren't they performing as expected?

Posted by Brick67
Member since Oct 2012
1460 posts
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:27 am to
quote:

We've had some frustration at the position to be certain but I don't necessarily fault Kirby for much of it, if not most of it.


Add to that an obvious drop off in OL from last year, losing two generational NFL talents at receiver (McConkey and Bowers) and losing two of what was supposed to be the next playmakers at WR (Thomas/Colby) and suddenly Beck is on an island trying to force too much to overcome those deficiencies. His favorite targets are gone while playing the #1 toughest schedule in all CFB. No wonder there have been issues.
Posted by tgdawg68
Georgia
Member since Dec 2019
755 posts
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:33 am to
quote:

Why haven't we been able to get one of the star athletic quarterbacks?


The 2 behind Beck are both highly rated dual threat QBs. Vandagriff was another who, if he had stayed, may have seen meaningful playing time this year and would probably be the man next year so your premise is misguided.
Posted by Brick67
Member since Oct 2012
1460 posts
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:34 am to
Also, my 2 cent observation, Kirby is about putting players in the NFL which helps recruiting. Outside of Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson, what other dual threat QB tears it up in the NFL? Seems the prevailing approach in the NFL is still the pocket passer who can extend plays not a 2d or 3d running back who happens to have a great arm.

There's a reason why NFL coaches have raved about how prepared UGA players have been for the NFL.

Could be a reason why they stick to the Pocket Passer formula more so than a dual threat. But maybe not.
Posted by tgdawg68
Georgia
Member since Dec 2019
755 posts
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:38 am to
quote:

losing two of what was supposed to be the next playmakers at WR


I believe that if we did not lose RaRa, Colby, and Rod Robinson the story on offense would be quite different. Ifs and Buts though.
Posted by Rex Feral
Member since Jan 2014
15883 posts
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:39 am to
The difference between Stet and every other 4&5 star that’s come through the program is their attitude. Stet didn’t have the accolades the others had. He had to prove himself and when people doubted him he got angry and worked harder to prove them wrong. The proverbial chip on his shoulder. Beck doesn’t have it. Eason didn’t have it. Fromm didn’t have it. Daniel’s didn’t have it.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13904 posts
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:50 am to
QBs that can scramble well make them tougher to defend but they also get exposed to more fumbles and injuries. Beck actually runs pretty good, but its pretty clear Smart does not want it to be a habit. I wonder if he opens that aspect up down the stretch?
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
14398 posts
Posted on 11/13/24 at 10:36 am to
quote:

The 2 behind Beck are both highly rated dual threat QBs.


Yep, we have: Gunner Stockton, Jaden Rashada and Ryan Puglisi but none of them have significant playing to time.
And yea, I had hoped that Vandagriff would hang with us but after Beck came back I can absolutely understand why he didn't.
I guess my point is if any of them were that outstanding then wouldn't they be starting instead of Beck given our OL issues or maybe Kirby values experience above all and they won't get a shot until Beck moves on.

In the way of comparison, Saban played Milroe last season as a Freshman which got them to the NCG. And yea, they lost in a close game to Michigan but still, he took them there and beat us in the SECCG in the process.

Next season should be interesting to see which of our quarterbacks rises to the top and hopefully our other offensive issues can be improved.

Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
15584 posts
Posted on 11/13/24 at 12:48 pm to
Moreover, Bama lost due to 11-12 poor snaps, so how can Bama not have a decent backup center?
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
47638 posts
Posted on 11/13/24 at 12:58 pm to
quote:

Outside of Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson, what other dual threat QB tears it up in the NFL?


Josh Allen every year, Jayden Daniels, Jalen Hurts, etc...

Front seven players have become so athletic these days that you need a QB who can avoid the rush and run for a first down occasionally. You don't need a burner like Lamar Jackson, but it's really hard to survive with a statue back there when freakazoids like Myles Garrett and TJ Watt are on the other side.
This post was edited on 11/13/24 at 1:00 pm
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
14398 posts
Posted on 11/13/24 at 1:34 pm to
quote:

Moreover, Bama lost due to 11-12 poor snaps, so how can Bama not have a decent backup center?


Yep, including Bama's final play of the game at the Michigan goal-line.
It really was bizarre and the Bama fans gave him hell about it.
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