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Urban Meyer talks about the Alabama vs Notre Dame game January 2013 & how it influenced
Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:13 am
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Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:25 am to BLG
I have no idea why he was having such a revelation in the 2013 NC game when Florida was loaded with SEC talent from top to bottom. Urban Meyer's problem as a head coach wasn't Xs and Os or Jimmy's and Joe's, it was all the other stuff in between. He tore down what he built as quickly as anyone I have ever watched coach this game. It was always the after-the-game stuff that got this guy in trouble. And he did it at 2 places that most coaches would die to be at.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:32 am to bamameister
It would really suck to be a frick-up of Urban Meyer's level.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:32 am to BLG
Bama is the standard. Not shocked he'd say that.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:38 am to theballguy
yeah. Would suck to win 3 national titles, 85+% of your games, be wealthy, and have attractive women grinding on you.
He might could win more national titles, and make more money, but it wouldn't suck to me to make it like he did.
He might could win more national titles, and make more money, but it wouldn't suck to me to make it like he did.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:45 am to bamameister
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I have no idea why he was having such a revelation in the 2013 NC game when Florida was loaded with SEC talent from top to bottom. Urban Meyer's problem as a head coach wasn't Xs and Os or Jimmy's and Joe's, it was all the other stuff in between. He tore down what he built as quickly as anyone I have ever watched coach this game. It was always the after-the-game stuff that got this guy in trouble. And he did it at 2 places that most coaches would die to be at.
The reason he's good is the reason he falls apart: he's obsessed about winning in an unhealthy way.
You can see it in this clip. Whatever he saw in the warmups drove him nuts. Guy cannot accept losing and eventually it breaks him.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:48 am to BLG
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yeah. Would suck to win 3 national titles, 85+% of your games, be wealthy, and have attractive women grinding on you.
He always struck me as a pretty miserable person. I met him a couple of times and everyone he talked to it was like he wasn't even there. Didn't smile at anyone.
You can have everything and still be miserable. He's chasing something you can only have for a short period of time. Then there's all the in-between time.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:52 am to jonnyanony
quote:Probably didn’t take anything more than watching them in the tunnel before they took the field.
You can see it in this clip. Whatever he saw in the warmups drove him nuts.
Bama looked like they were playing a HS team.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:52 am to jonnyanony
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Whatever he saw in the warmups drove him nuts. Guy cannot accept losing and eventually it breaks him.
What he saw was a superior team and it drove him to improve his own team. 2 years later they won a national title.
I think he quit at UF because he didn't want to compete against Nick Saban. I think he quit at Ohio State because he didn't like that they suspended him for the Zach Smith allegations. His health, which he cited as a reason for quitting, may or may not have been a contributing factor in one or both cases.
This post was edited on 9/20/24 at 7:57 am
Posted on 9/20/24 at 7:58 am to BLG
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what he saw was a superior team and it drove him to improve his own team
We're saying the same thing. It's what made him a great coach. But it's also what repeatedly broke him.
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I think he quit at UF because he didn't want to compete against Nick Saban
This never made any sense. At that point he was 1-1 against Saban, on the heels of two 13-1 seasons. Would go to close his 4th straight top-5 class, two of which were better than Bama's. If he were 0-2 or 0-3, maybe, but 1-1? Nah.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:04 am to BLG
Fell prey to the P like all men.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:06 am to jonnyanony
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You can see it in this clip. Whatever he saw in the warmups drove him nuts. Guy cannot accept losing and eventually it breaks him.
Meyer was an elite coach. Saban and Meyer had that same passion and work ethic to doing whatever it took to win. But Saban didn't have the emotional highs and lows. Saban could move on from a win the following Monday as if there was nothing to celebrate, and in turn, could accept a loss and focus on fixing it Monday. Winning made Meyer a king in in own mind and losing made him feel like the smallest man on earth. That's what gave Saban a career that will always be talked about and Meyer a giant asterisk.
"The process" is a lesson we can all learn from and has been written about by many psychologists and self help experts long before Saban made it famous. Focus on small daily goals and improvement, ignore the good and bad short term results, and the success will eventually come and be long lasting. It's basically using the compounding interest approach to your relationships, life, and career rather than just with finances. Urban Meyer was Carl Icahn. Saban was Warren Buffett. Both are rich but one is a lot more rich and respected than the other.
This post was edited on 9/20/24 at 8:17 am
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:09 am to jonnyanony
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At that point he was 1-1 against Saban, on the heels of two 13-1 seasons. Would go to close his 4th straight top-5 class, two of which were better than Bama's
ok. I wasn't going to say he didn't want to compete against Saban at Alabama, which was a whole other story of competing with Saban at LSU or wherever else.
He beat Alabama in Saban's 2nd year at Alabama, 2008, in the SEC title game. The next season Alabama beat his team, and he quit after that season, I think because he didn't want to compete vs Saban at Alabama, which he later lauds as being superior, example in the video above.
According to On3, Alabama recruited the #1 class in 2008, and UF's class was #6. In 2009 Alabama recruited the #1 class again, and UF was #7. edit to add that 2007 was Saban's first yr at Alabama and as noted Meyer quit after the 2009 season.
edit again because I was wrong. After a leave of absence because of purported health issues, Meyer returned for the 2010 season, as another poster noted below. Alabama beat UF 31-6 in 2010. Meyer quit after that season. 1-2 vs Saban at Alabama.
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This post was edited on 9/20/24 at 8:21 am
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:14 am to MillerLiteTime
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Meyer was an elite coach. Saban and Meyer had that same passion and work ethic to doing whatever it took to win. But Saban didn't have the emotional highs and lows. Saban could move on from a win the following Monday as if there was nothing to celebrate, and in turn, could accept a loss and focus on fixing it Monday
good observation
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:14 am to BLG
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He beat Alabama in Saban's 2nd year at Alabama, 2008, in the SEC title game. The next season Alabama beat his team, and he quit after that season.
Didn't BAMA smoke Urban in 2010 in Tuscaloosa? The future would have been hard to miss at that point.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:18 am to bamameister
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Didn't BAMA smoke Urban in 2010 in Tuscaloosa? The future would have been hard to miss at that point.
You are right. I thought he quit after the 2009 season but he took time off and returned for 2010 when, as you noted, Alabama beat UF 31-6
Thanks
edit because that's apparently what I do: I think he's a very good coach with some issues and if I were the AD hiring at Florida, I'd hire him again today. If (when?) he flames out again, I'd be in a better position to hire a new coach.
This post was edited on 9/20/24 at 8:24 am
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:23 am to bamameister
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Didn't BAMA smoke Urban in 2010 in Tuscaloosa?
Yeah, Florida had some kid playing QB (can't remember his name now) who was supposed to be the next coming of Tim Tebow, but we absolutely drilled them in BDS. If I remember correctly the score was 31-3 and it wasn't really that close.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:27 am to bamameister
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Urban Meyer's problem as a head coach wasn't Xs and Os or Jimmy's and Joe's, it was all the other stuff in between. He tore down what he built as quickly as anyone I have ever watched coach this game.
It’s because he builds programs like bad builders put up houses: on poor foundations and cutting corners along the way.
It’s actually the defining difference between him and Saban.
Saban focused on the process by which he believed he would win most games before they were played. It was all predicated on the neutral thinking approach from Trevor Moawad and which also defined the difference in consistency between Saban at Bama vs Saban at LSU.
Meyer was locked in on putting athletes on the field in a scheme that he believed gave them the best chance to win. He looked the other way on everything else because it wasn’t important to him. And make no mistake, offensively he was everything Saban was defensively. He could identify ultra elite QBs, coach them up and put them in a scheme that took advantage of the new officiating rules that allowed RPO to flourish.
But because Meyer focused on the outcome while Saban was locked in on the process, Saban built and sustained while Meyer built programs like a wave which grew, crested and crashed back to the beach.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:41 am to jonnyanony
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This never made any sense. At that point he was 1-1 against Saban, on the heels of two 13-1 seasons. Would go to close his 4th straight top-5 class, two of which were better than Bama's. If he were 0-2 or 0-3, maybe, but 1-1? Nah.
Saban and Bama absolutely smoked Meyer in 2010 something like 31-6. Meyer resigned 3 months later.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:44 am to MillerLiteTime
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Urban Meyer was Carl Icahn. Saban was Warren Buffett. Both are rich but one is a lot more rich and respected than the other
Saban is the GOAT. Meyer is regarded as a top 10 coach of all time. And Meyer would probably be seen as a top 5 college coach of all time if not for some seriously glaring behavioral issues. That’s the difference.
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