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Free Agent QB or Sign a Polished 5* is only way to go henceforward
Posted on 1/3/24 at 11:28 am
Posted on 1/3/24 at 11:28 am
Here is a question I am seeing asked by Milroe supporters on the board this year:
And of course the answer is - we are all trying to forget the first 2 years of Hurts.
His limitations cost us a title while we had one of the best defenses in college history.
Yes, I recall it vividly... roll right, make one read on one side of the field, then run or throw the ball in the stands. It was painful AF. We had some of the best WR's of the Saban era they were being wasted.
He was well on his way to blowing another title when Saban finally buckled and brought in the QB that could distribute the ball, and the rest is history.
Now, I love Hurts and his story, and effort, and where he's at now, but You are actually making the counterpoint to having QB's like Hurts and Milroe by asking if we "recall where they started."
Yeah, one day Milroe will get better. He'll probably get a little better next year, but once we start to play teams with equal talent and better QB's than us we will lose... again. We've seen it over and over now. The data is in.
The NFL has time to work on players so it's kinda counterintuitive that you develop in college then go pro. Now, with transfers and three and outs... why waste three years "developing" a QB ? For what ? Is the team that drafts him and has less work to do going to send us a box of cigars ? Once we've lost two playoff games he's ready to go pro and thank Bama for giving him the opportunity to let him "develop" at Bama ?
In this era teams had better either sign a high football IQ kid that is physically developed out of high school, and give him the keys on day one, and see where you are at years end, or pay for the best free agent QB in the league. No more "project" QB's. It makes zero sense. Theres no time to develop them at the expense of losing titles.
Let someone else sign and develop project "athletes" to play QB. Lets sign kids like Bryce Young, Tua, Julian (Hopefully), OR lets jump in the portal and pay for the best QB available.
Cerebral QB's that can read defenses and make pre and post snap decisions about where to go with the ball are going to win every time in every league.
The QB that can thrown downfield, up the seam, hit the slant, and float it to the flat is gonna beat the team with the QB that can only heave it downfield every time.
Times are a changing folks. You have to have a QB to win it all, and if you're gonna spend three four years "developing" someone to understand the simplest of concepts you are going to DECLINE while other coaches go out and sign free agent QB's
This years Heisman QB was a transfer QB from Arizona Jayden Daniels
This years playoff QB's:
Penix is a transfer
Ewers is a transfer
LSU doesn't sniff a title without Joe Burrow, a transfer.
Kyler Murray was a transfer.
Russell Wilson was a transfer.
The list is endless. Never again waste a scholarship on a "project" QB at a place like Alabama.
Final word... no more wasting YEARS developing a QB. Those WR's work hard, those RB's work hard, and even more so those defensive guys dont deserve to be held accountable for a fourth quarter collapse because their legs have turned to jello after running back on the field after quick possessions yielding no points.
The game has changed. Either draft the best QB in the country and give him the keys (Julian Sayin, Bryce Young, Tua, etc.,) to get his clock started, or go out and sign the best free agent available. We have the resources to do this so lets get it done.
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are people forgetting the first two years of Jalen Hurts?
And of course the answer is - we are all trying to forget the first 2 years of Hurts.
Yes, I recall it vividly... roll right, make one read on one side of the field, then run or throw the ball in the stands. It was painful AF. We had some of the best WR's of the Saban era they were being wasted.
He was well on his way to blowing another title when Saban finally buckled and brought in the QB that could distribute the ball, and the rest is history.
Now, I love Hurts and his story, and effort, and where he's at now, but You are actually making the counterpoint to having QB's like Hurts and Milroe by asking if we "recall where they started."
Yeah, one day Milroe will get better. He'll probably get a little better next year, but once we start to play teams with equal talent and better QB's than us we will lose... again. We've seen it over and over now. The data is in.
The NFL has time to work on players so it's kinda counterintuitive that you develop in college then go pro. Now, with transfers and three and outs... why waste three years "developing" a QB ? For what ? Is the team that drafts him and has less work to do going to send us a box of cigars ? Once we've lost two playoff games he's ready to go pro and thank Bama for giving him the opportunity to let him "develop" at Bama ?
In this era teams had better either sign a high football IQ kid that is physically developed out of high school, and give him the keys on day one, and see where you are at years end, or pay for the best free agent QB in the league. No more "project" QB's. It makes zero sense. Theres no time to develop them at the expense of losing titles.
Let someone else sign and develop project "athletes" to play QB. Lets sign kids like Bryce Young, Tua, Julian (Hopefully), OR lets jump in the portal and pay for the best QB available.
Cerebral QB's that can read defenses and make pre and post snap decisions about where to go with the ball are going to win every time in every league.
The QB that can thrown downfield, up the seam, hit the slant, and float it to the flat is gonna beat the team with the QB that can only heave it downfield every time.
Times are a changing folks. You have to have a QB to win it all, and if you're gonna spend three four years "developing" someone to understand the simplest of concepts you are going to DECLINE while other coaches go out and sign free agent QB's
This years Heisman QB was a transfer QB from Arizona Jayden Daniels
This years playoff QB's:
Penix is a transfer
Ewers is a transfer
LSU doesn't sniff a title without Joe Burrow, a transfer.
Kyler Murray was a transfer.
Russell Wilson was a transfer.
The list is endless. Never again waste a scholarship on a "project" QB at a place like Alabama.
Final word... no more wasting YEARS developing a QB. Those WR's work hard, those RB's work hard, and even more so those defensive guys dont deserve to be held accountable for a fourth quarter collapse because their legs have turned to jello after running back on the field after quick possessions yielding no points.
The game has changed. Either draft the best QB in the country and give him the keys (Julian Sayin, Bryce Young, Tua, etc.,) to get his clock started, or go out and sign the best free agent available. We have the resources to do this so lets get it done.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 11:33 am to PowHound
CNS would still play Milroe until he tanks a game or almost tanks one.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 11:36 am to PowHound
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Either draft the best QB in the country and give him the keys (Julian Sayin, Bryce Young, Tua, etc.,)
You seriously related him to Bryce and Tua? He may be the best QB in the country or he may be another Ty. How about we let the kid go through spring practice before we compare him to Bryce or Tua.
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pay for the best QB available
How much you donating to make it happen?
Posted on 1/3/24 at 11:38 am to PowHound
I agree that Bama is not going to win a title with Milroe but you are off base. Bama has 6 titles with guys they recruited. Sayin will be a stud. He just will need a year or two in the system. They can win it all with him.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 11:40 am to PowHound
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You have to have a QB to win it all
Michigan's QB is as much of a game manager as it gets, and they very well could win a NC this season.
We should be in the NC game (with Milroe) if not for a total team collapse.
Sure, if there is a really good QB in the portal, I don't think anyone would be against us bringing him on, but your list of transfers that you are saying are championship caliber QBs include just 1 player who has QB'd a NC team. Possibly 2 after Monday.
Joe Burrow is the only transfer QB that has won a NC since Cam Newton, and even he had to develop.
No fans or coaches are against transfer QBs obviously, but to say that you have to have one to win it all is just asinine.
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Here is a question I am seeing asked by Milroe supporters on the board this year:
People are asking this in response to the folks saying that he has hit his ceiling and will never develop into anything other than he is now (even though he clearly made significant strides throughout the season.)
Posted on 1/3/24 at 11:48 am to BrianFantana
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Either draft the best QB in the country and give him the keys (Julian Sayin, Bryce Young, Tua, etc.,)
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You seriously related him to Bryce and Tua?
Yes, I did. He was considered the best QB in this class so we drafted him exactly the same as Tua when he was the No.1 QB and Bryce when he was no.1 QB.
How are you not able to see the direct correlation / relation ?
How can I better spoon feed it to you ?
This post was edited on 1/3/24 at 11:54 am
Posted on 1/3/24 at 11:54 am to PowHound
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Yeah, one day Milroe will get better. He'll probably get a little better next year, but once we start to play teams with equal talent and better QB's than us we will lose... again. We've seen it over and over now. The data is in.
So you're either saying Milroe is better than Carson Beck or your point doesn't make any sense. Same with Jayden Daniels. LSU is 7th in talent composite so I'd say they're close to equal talent. But we beat them. So is Milroe better than Daniels?
It's almost like football is a team sport and depends on a lot more than which team has the better QB. We can win with Milroe. Especially if he makes improvements in the off-season.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 12:02 pm to RollTide33
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So is Milroe better than Daniels?
No. If Bama goes out and gets Daniels they win a title this year, but of course the rest of your team matters. LSU had a historically bad defense. Bama had a title contending defense.
Again, that's my point. Alabama has the players and personnel they just need a trigger man. And a center
Posted on 1/3/24 at 12:03 pm to PowHound
"Bama will never win a title with Milroe"
Bama beat UGA with Milroe.
Bama beat UGA with Milroe.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 12:05 pm to PowHound
How many titles did we win with Bryce Young as our starter? Or Tua? I'm trying to remember.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 12:09 pm to Bham Bammer
If Michigan wins the title* this year then the that's yet another QB that won the title for the school he was recruited to. Before that you had Stetson Bennett twice. Before that Mac Jones. Before that you have Joe Burrow (who, by the way, was worse as a junior than Milroe was this past year), then before that you have Trevor Lawrence, Tua/Jalen, and then Jake Coker.
In other words, most national champs have done so with a guy they recruited and developed. Teams absolutely do not need to bring in transfers to win titles.
In other words, most national champs have done so with a guy they recruited and developed. Teams absolutely do not need to bring in transfers to win titles.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 12:10 pm to JIB
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Bama beat UGA with Milroe.
I never thought uga was as good as everyone claimed this year. They never really looked dominant. Did you watch the games ?
Also, when we were killing the clock, Milroe fumbled the ball and recovered his own fumble. That ball could have bounced differently and all uga needed was 3 points. Then you'd all be singing a different tune. I dont know why he is prone to turnovers but he is.
For fricks sake we needed an offensive pass interference and a miracle to beat Auburn this year. Stop whistling past the graveyard.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 12:13 pm to PowHound
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I dont know why he is prone to turnovers but he is.
He had two turnovers combined over the last eight games of the season. Pointing to an "almost" turnover as evidence kind of reinforces the point. He barely turned it over the last two-thirds of the season.
I would agree with you early in the year but he cleared that up a lot.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 12:14 pm to PowHound
UGA was #1 in the country before Bama beat them.
Don't do this revisionist BS and say UGA wasn't any good.
"Never really looked dominant" is such a joke. They beat Ole Miss 52-17, they won in Knoxville by 4 TDs.
Don't do this revisionist BS and say UGA wasn't any good.
"Never really looked dominant" is such a joke. They beat Ole Miss 52-17, they won in Knoxville by 4 TDs.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 12:16 pm to RollTide33
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We can win with Milroe.
If you could say in your own mind that the chances are better with a different guy, would you still stay with Milroe?
Posted on 1/3/24 at 12:18 pm to jjv0004
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Sayin will be a stud. He just will need a year or two in the system. They can win it all with him.
See, this is what people are not understanding...
The no.1 QB doesnt wait 2 or 3 years for his turn anymore.
They either win the job, or get paid millions to go start somewhere else.
Jayden Daniels, Ewers, Penix, etc., etc,
You think Tua would have sat that long behind Hurts when he and EVERYBODY in the facility knew he was better if Texas said, "hey man, we will give you 5 mill to come start here today" ?
Posted on 1/3/24 at 12:22 pm to prattalumni
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If you could say in your own mind that the chances are better with a different guy, would you still stay with Milroe?
I want whoever gives us the best chance to win. If Sayin is as advertised awesome. If Jalen takes another step forward great. If Lonergan is a dude thats great too. I just think a lot of people are letting the final game of the season make them forget Jalen did a lot of good things for us this year and we don't win the SEC or make the playoff without him.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 12:22 pm to PowHound
Like it or not Milroes gonna be the qb next year, sorry bud.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 12:23 pm to PowHound
I don’t have an answer for the QB spot. I’m just going to let it play out. Milroe is capable of improving and I hope that’s the case…but what I do know is we cannot have this caliber of play at the position next year.
This is Alabama and the pass game wasn’t good enough this year. We shouldn’t have to settle for “well he’s the best we have” come 2024. It was the case this year but it can’t be an excuse going forward.
Milroe has all of the tools but he has to be better.
This is Alabama and the pass game wasn’t good enough this year. We shouldn’t have to settle for “well he’s the best we have” come 2024. It was the case this year but it can’t be an excuse going forward.
Milroe has all of the tools but he has to be better.
Posted on 1/3/24 at 12:24 pm to JIB
Bro,...
Joe Burrow and Jake Coker were both transfers.
Joe Burrow and Jake Coker were both transfers.
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