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12 National Championships? … The Real Story

Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:30 pm
Posted by caribG8R
TX or WY, ain't sure yet...
Member since Oct 2004
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Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:30 pm
(Borrowed from another board)

12 National Championships? … The Real Story

I just wanted to clear up a few misconceptions about Alabama’s claim to 12 national championships based on fact rather than bias. Credit is given where credit is due.

To clear up confusion, the word retroactive means they went back in time to award the championship.

‘TWELVE’ national championships is fraudulent, nothing but pure bunk ginned up by the SID Department. Here’s a rundown:

1925 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with Dartmouth. Who awarded the NC? Houlgate and Helms. Houlgate started his system in 1927. So Bama won their 1925 NC using a formula that didn’t exist until 1927? Helms Athletic Foundation started in 1941. Another incredible retroactive NC.

The Associated Press Poll has been active since 1936. The AP took their final poll prior to bowl games from 1936 - 1964 and in 1966 and 1967. They took their final poll after the bowl games in 1965 and from 1968 - Current.

1926 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with 3 other teams with equal or better records! Once again it is the Helms Athletic Foundation in 1941 that awards it!

1930 National Championship- The Davis poll says that Bama tied Notre Dame for NC this year. This was the only one to award it to Bama. Notre Dame was named NC in 6 polls! Parke Davis is another retroactive system! He (an individual, not an organization) did his in 1933!

1934 National Championship- Alabama says they share this with two other teams. The awarders are Dunkel, Williamson, and Football Thesaurus. Dunkel was an individual who came up with his own system. Williamson was a geologist who came up with his own system. Football Thesaurus first appeared in 1946!

1941 National Championship- This is a complete joke. The AP ranked Alabama 20th in the nation with 14 teams with better records in the top 20. Once again it is the Football Thesaurus that retroactively awards it. Alabama finished 3rd in the SEC that year. Mississippi State won the SEC title..yet Bama claims a National title!

1961 National Championship- Finally a legitimate NC. .

1964 National Championship- While the AP did award the NC to Bama (10-1-0), Arkansas had the better record, 11-0. Alabama played Texas in their bowl and LOST. The AP final poll was before the bowl.

1965 National Championship- The AP gave this to Bama. That year there were three teams with better records than Bama. Bama 9-1-1, Michigan St 10-1-0, Arkansas 10-1-0, Nebraska 10-1-0.

1973 National Championship- AP puts Bama 4th after their bowl game loss. Bama claims a NC from the UPI poll that was taken before they met Notre Dame in the bowl game and lost. There were 3 teams with better records than Bama that year. The embarrassment of naming Alabama number one caused the UPI to name champions after bowl games. Yet Bammer has no shame in claiming it of course.

1978 National Championship- AP gives this to Alabama(11-1-0) even though USC (12-1-0) had the better record Guess who Alabama lost to that year? USC!!!!!!!!!. UPI gave the NC to USC.

1979 National Championship- Their second legitimate NC. Their first Unanimous NC.

1992 National Championship- Their third legitimate NC. Their second Unanimous NC.

You can see why people ridicule Bama fans when they talk about 12 NCs. The early ones were awarded by individuals years after the games were played. These weren’t consensus polls but NCs awarded by people that had their own formula for determining champions. Some NCs were given before bowl games that Bama lost. Using Alabama logic, Auburn could claim four national championships. But when Bammers brag they like to say they have twelve and Auburn has one. How silly. The NCAA recognizes 6 NCs for Bama and there are only two NCs that Bama has unanimously. You can’t find an Auburn site claiming four national championships but there are plenty Bama sites claiming twelve.

Debunking the Alabama National Championship myths.


GO TO HELL ALABAMA!
Posted by arwicklu
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2008
7627 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:32 pm to
Shocking news!
Posted by dociletiger
Member since Sep 2003
4328 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:38 pm to
Might as well throw out any national title prior to 70's. Best players were not allowed to play in SEC prior to that.
Posted by RockyStop
Chainsaw City
Member since Jun 2008
4349 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:55 pm to
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caribG8R


STFU!!How many do you guys have? That's what I thought, we still have more if you throw out all of the "bogus" ones.

get ready for Saturday buddy
Posted by arwicklu
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2008
7627 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:58 pm to
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STFU!!How many do you guys have? That's what I thought, we still have more if you throw out all of the "bogus" ones.

get ready for Saturday buddy


I really don't worry about the 20's, 30's, 40's stuff.

From the 60's to now we have 7 years where we were 1 in the AP, Coaches, or both. We've had a great program but winning a championship in the 1960's doesn't doesn't do much for me when we have a 7-6 season.
Posted by caribG8R
TX or WY, ain't sure yet...
Member since Oct 2004
6086 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 2:02 pm to
quote:

STFU!!How many do you guys have? That's what I thought, we still have more if you throw out all of the "bogus" ones.
GO TO HELL ALABAMA!
Posted by DvlsAdvocat
Your Mom's House, AL
Member since Jul 2007
24491 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 2:02 pm to
I have never seen this posted before. Seriously. Not even once. Nope, not on this board. This is very fresh.
Posted by nino2469
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Sep 2004
5538 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 2:13 pm to
lol first time I have seen it
Posted by jesse
Cartersville
Member since Aug 2007
603 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 2:14 pm to
quote:

GO TO HELL ALABAMA!


watch it you will get a " GOT 12"
Posted by usc6158
Member since Feb 2008
38618 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 2:22 pm to
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1978 National Championship- AP gives this to Alabama(11-1-0) even though USC (12-1-0) had the better record Guess who Alabama lost to that year? USC!!!!!!!!!. UPI gave the NC to USC.



78 looks a lot like this year actually
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 2:26 pm to
quote:

lol first time I have seen it


Never gets old to me though.

Until the gumps admit the truth, reminders are perfectly acceptable.
Posted by Luke4LSU
Member since Oct 2007
11986 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 2:27 pm to
Michigan uses this same delusional approach to claim their 65 NCs...or whatever absurd number it is they claim in a feable attempt to cling to historical relevance.
Posted by Luke4LSU
Member since Oct 2007
11986 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 2:28 pm to
If what I heard is correct (I'm not going to do the research), LSU has something like 5-7 NCs using the gump math.
















































FWIW, one should never use gump math
Posted by FootballHog
Member since Nov 2006
7694 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 2:32 pm to
Arkansas- The REAL 1964 national champions.

Oh, and we beat Texas that year. Bama's only loss? Texas.
Posted by arlo
Member since Oct 2007
12376 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 2:42 pm to
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Bama's only loss? Texas.


Not according to Joe Namath.
Posted by rolltide1283
Pinson
Member since Feb 2007
3362 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 2:45 pm to
Before 1973 (may be 75, not sure), the bowl games DID NOT count. Therefore, the team with the #1 ranking after the last regular season game was awarded the MNC.

If bowl games had been counted back then, Arkansas would have been awarded the MNC but that WAS the system. Every system the NCAA has ever had, has sucked but we can't do anything about it.

Bottomline: No matter how many times y'all dissect our NCs, we have 7 legit NCs that were awarded by AP, UPI/coaches, or both. The other ones that were awarded before 1936, when the AP came out, can be claimed because we were awarded the NC according to the system that was in place.

BTW, I don't claim the 1941 NC because that one was BS IMO. There were also some years where we went undefeated but got shafted.
Posted by itawambadog
America, F Yeah!
Member since Nov 2007
21266 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 2:50 pm to
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Mississippi State won the SEC title..yet Bama claims a National title!


our team disbanded after Pearl Harbor and didn't play in a bowl game that year, we played against Georgetown in the Orange bowl the season before. thanks a lot Japan.
Posted by Sofa King Crimson
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2008
4135 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 2:54 pm to
I can't wait till February. Don't forget to visit Rolltide.com and pre-order your "Got 2?" T-shirts for recruiting national championships!
Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
Cincinnati, OH
Member since Aug 2006
36721 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 3:04 pm to
frick bama
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 12/1/08 at 3:05 pm to
quote:

frick bama
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