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Posted on 10/6/23 at 9:40 am to
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 10/6/23 at 9:40 am to
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You are the weasel that defended a welch for there being no integrity online and you want me to listen to you. Stop

Lol like this has any relevance to anything

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And I am not arguing.

“I’m not arguing” then goes on and argues. You don’t know the points being made by each.

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Do we really care about the person's opinion that doesnt know schemes if that is the debate?

If he doesn’t know shite about scheme, then obliterate his argument with your knowledge of scheme. Don’t sit here and make him prove his credentials on knowing scheme before then arguing his specific points.

Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 10/6/23 at 9:42 am to
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I think the distinction here is it felt like while watching the game we were not doing enough so the argument here is intuitive.

Charlie’s whole argument is there isn’t an obvious way to stop Bowers. Otherwise other teams would’ve done it a long time ago.
Posted by Johnnycrane
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Posted on 10/6/23 at 9:46 am to
I do agree that we are in an era of extreme self importance backed up by absolutely nothing.
Posted by jangalang
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Posted on 10/6/23 at 9:56 am to
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Lol like this has any relevance to anything

It is highly relevant to me not doing what you tell me to do. Keep up.

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“I’m not arguing” then goes on and argues. You don’t know the points being made by each.

I am actually not. I do know the points in the first 5 minutes or so because I listened to them and I only discussed what I heard. Crain laid out the argument. He flat out said he asked charlie to come on the radio to discuss the scheme.

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If he doesn’t know shite about scheme, then obliterate his argument with your knowledge of scheme. Don’t sit here and make him prove his credentials on knowing scheme before then arguing his specific points.

I am not defending Jboy for how he handled the debate. It was a scheme discussion but charlie wanted no part of discusing scheming, however he called out Crains suggestions. The onus is on Charlie just as well for proving those suggestions would not work.

And you wrong as well.
Posted by jangalang
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Posted on 10/6/23 at 10:00 am to
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Charlie’s whole argument is there isn’t an obvious way to stop Bowers. Otherwise other teams would’ve done it a long time ago.

Bowers has been boom or bust throughout his career. He had two receptions for 36 yards against us last year. 2 receptions for 43 yards the year before.

Charlie's whole point is based on what anyway? It isnt based on knowledge.


He literally brought up chipping at safety.


What does that even mean Weasel? Safety is the last line of defense. Speed bump isnt going to do anything for us.
This post was edited on 10/6/23 at 10:05 am
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 10/6/23 at 10:07 am to
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Crain laid out the argument. He flat out said he asked charlie to come on the radio to discuss the scheme.

The argument was about stopping Bowers and what Auburn did/didn’t do and what they should have done. That’s where it all started.

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It was a scheme discussion but charlie wanted no part of discusing scheming, however he called out Crains suggestions. The onus is on Charlie just as well for proving those suggestions would not work.

Charlie kept trying to talk about it and Crain wanted to talk about over fronts. Why is that relevant? Has nothing to do with what they’re talking about besides proving Charlie’s “worth” in the argument. Charlie didn’t go down that road because he doesn’t need to.

Crain probably could’ve obliterated him if he would’ve focused on the right things. But he was too emotional about some nobody implying he’s not smart.
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 10/6/23 at 10:12 am to
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He literally brought up chipping at safety. What does that even mean Weasel? Safety is the last line of defense. Speed bump isnt going to do anything for us.

1. I already mentioned that his mention of safety’s chipping was confusing me until they started talking about Puckett. I haven’t gone back and watched those plays or anything so I’m just going off what they were both saying but apparently Puckett would’ve been the one to chip on that play. Puckett is normally a safety but was probably the nickel on the play if I had to guess. I think that’s why he’s talking about safeties chipping.

2. You just said chipping wasn’t going to do anything for us. And that’s Charlie’s exact argument. Crain is the one saying we should’ve chipped.

3. I think Charlie’s argument against chipping was Puckett can’t keep up with Bowers. I don’t think that’s a relevant point because I think we were playing zone so we wouldn’t need Puckett to keep up with Bowers.
This post was edited on 10/6/23 at 10:15 am
Posted by CorchJay
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Posted on 10/6/23 at 10:13 am to
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chipping at safety.


Not to take sides but Kaufman is kind of a safety and the closest to line and the under coverage on the TD play and the 3rd down.

Both guys were kind of right. We don’t have the talent when Scott and Simpson are out. Plus Bowers had just been a simple TE prior to the 4th quarter. I’m sure in game prep we didn’t rep “chipping” the TE. So kind of hard to just yell out there hey Riley chip the tight end. So sure there are adjustments to be made in game but Bowers was just like any TE until the 4th quarter and no time to make an adjustment.

Great players force opposing players to make bad plays. The TD the threat of Bowers forced Puckett to drop to deep in his quarters coverage making the inside seem throw an easy pitch and catch. So no adjustments factor in not being in the correct spot. Even if he is in the correct spot Bowers might still make the catch
Posted by jangalang
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Posted on 10/6/23 at 10:16 am to
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You just said chipping wasn’t going to do anything for us. And that’s Charlie’s exact argument.

No dude go to the 9:15 mark. You dont do chipping at safety.


Your dude is so hell bent saying we aint got the dudes for chipping. Like we need a 5* chipparooo
This post was edited on 10/6/23 at 10:19 am
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 10/6/23 at 10:17 am to
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No dude go to the 9:15 mark. You dont do chipping at safety. Your dude is so hell bent saying we aint got the dudes for chipping. Like we need a 5* chipparooo

See my last post

Crain and Charlie agree Puckett would’ve been the one to chip on whatever play they’re talking about. And I think he’s saying Puckett can’t chip and then also keep up with Bowers

Crain literally makes the argument for chipping at the 9:15 mark. Not sure what you’re saying.
This post was edited on 10/6/23 at 10:24 am
Posted by CorchJay
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Posted on 10/6/23 at 10:21 am to
I’m saying we used the will linebacker to stack the box so UGA couldn’t run like they want to. You can’t keep a tight box looking out to a flex TE for when in zone coverage to try to stem or chip the TE. Especially with Riley he has enough trouble trying to do one job. Unless “chipping” the TE was in the game prep then you aren’t gonna get chipping in the game. We are in game 5 of the staff and no chipping isn’t a hard concept but I’m sure chipping a TE isn’t in our base package.
Posted by CorchJay
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Posted on 10/6/23 at 10:25 am to
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Crain and Charlie agree Puckett would’ve been the one to chip on whatever play they’re talking about. And I think he’s saying Puckett can’t chip and then also keep up with Bowers


No Charlie didn’t know who was available to chip. Jake was saying we should have been using the WLB which was Riley on both throws on that TD drive. Jake was saying if you don’t know who’s supposed to chip the route then how can you say I’m not smart or whatever. Charlie’s argument was essentially to stop being hindsight 20/20 arm chair qb or in this case defensive coordinator when we don’t have the dudes.
Posted by CorchJay
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Posted on 10/6/23 at 10:28 am to
So both are right and wrong in the debate in my opinion. Maybe Charlie shouldn’t have responded to Jake on Twitter but Charlie didn’t act like a total arse on the locked on Auburn show. That’s my take and JBoy has never bothered me.
Posted by jangalang
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Posted on 10/6/23 at 10:29 am to
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Crain literally makes the argument for chipping at the 9:15 mark. Not sure what you’re saying.


I told you couldn't chip at safety before I knew Crain said it as well.

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First off charlie, charlie, you dont chip at safety."



I am not saying others shouldn't chip. Linebackers, nickelbacks, and CBs are fair game.
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 10/6/23 at 10:31 am to
I just rewatched part of it.

At one point they said Wooden would’ve chipped him. Then another part they said Puckett.

So I don’t know who they think would’ve chipped.
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 10/6/23 at 10:37 am to
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I told you couldn't chip at safety before I knew Crain said it as well.

A safety playing safety can’t chip. But a safety playing another position when talking about a particular play could theoretically chip on the specific play they’re talking about. That’s where I’m saying some of the confusion is. Crain just lost his mind anytime he heard safety.

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I am not saying others shouldn't chip. Linebackers, nickelbacks, and CBs are fair game.

What did you mean by “Speed bump isn’t going to do anything for us”?

I took that to mean chipping isn’t going to do anything for us
Posted by CorchJay
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Posted on 10/6/23 at 10:37 am to
Generally chipping is done with outside linebackers or defensive ends. Not defensive backs. Chipping is nothing more than a shoulder strike. Jamming is what defensive backs do. They take a kind of blocking style approach to try to stop or slow down the route of a WR. You wouldn’t expect a safety to ever chip or jam. That’s why they are a safety to cover the deep routes especially in zone. Kaufman the star in our defense is like a combo safety linebacker nickel corner. He’s to small to even attempt to chip Bowers
Posted by jangalang
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Posted on 10/6/23 at 10:41 am to
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What did you mean by “Speed bump isn’t going to do anything for us”?

I said a speed bump isnt going to do anything for us if a safety is doing it. The safety is the last line of defense. What is point of a speed bump before Endzone 6.
Chipping is as Corch says "shoulder striking" and then passing the player off.

Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 10/6/23 at 10:44 am to
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I said a speed bump isnt going to do anything for us if a safety is doing it. The safety is the last line of defense. What is point of a speed bump before Endzone 6. Chipping is as Corch says "shoulder striking" and then passing the player off.

I don’t know. Now it sounds like we’re agreeing so I’m confused.

Kind of tired of the argument anyways
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 10/6/23 at 10:46 am to
Tripping works too when you can't do anything else.
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