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It all started when Saban brought in Bill O'Brien
Posted on 11/6/22 at 7:27 am
Posted on 11/6/22 at 7:27 am
First one we have won a championship with Golding at DC.
BOB on the other hand literally turns gold into shite, Saban saw this and decided to still bring him aboard.
Since he has been QB Coach and playcaller we have seen a freefall in performance from every position that isn't QB or a transfer (some others coached them up).
The guy doesn't have a gameplan. We aren't creative. He doesn't know what to do in goalline (inside the 10 yard line) or two-point situations.
That play Brian Kelly ran for a that two-point conversion is a simple play to scheme the flat open to score in short situations and I don't think we have ever ran that or something like it this season.
This guy is a moron who just runs off tackle, inside or drops the QB back with routine routes (clear outs, deep curls and deep digs) and hopes and prays for victory.
Since BOB has come Saban has shown no real accountability as if he doesn't want to blame that idiot or hurt his feelings.
We have free-fallen ever since that horrendous and obvious terrible decision to hire.
Saban just wasted two national championship sides all because he is scared to hire someone who will leave him. Then he kept people who are performing poorly just because he didn't want to acknowledge the elephant in the room.
Downvote me.
Hate me.
I don't care. I have been beating this horse forever on here and people have slowly began to come around. Hopefully Saban will too.
BOB on the other hand literally turns gold into shite, Saban saw this and decided to still bring him aboard.
Since he has been QB Coach and playcaller we have seen a freefall in performance from every position that isn't QB or a transfer (some others coached them up).
The guy doesn't have a gameplan. We aren't creative. He doesn't know what to do in goalline (inside the 10 yard line) or two-point situations.
That play Brian Kelly ran for a that two-point conversion is a simple play to scheme the flat open to score in short situations and I don't think we have ever ran that or something like it this season.
This guy is a moron who just runs off tackle, inside or drops the QB back with routine routes (clear outs, deep curls and deep digs) and hopes and prays for victory.
Since BOB has come Saban has shown no real accountability as if he doesn't want to blame that idiot or hurt his feelings.
We have free-fallen ever since that horrendous and obvious terrible decision to hire.
Saban just wasted two national championship sides all because he is scared to hire someone who will leave him. Then he kept people who are performing poorly just because he didn't want to acknowledge the elephant in the room.
Downvote me.
Hate me.
I don't care. I have been beating this horse forever on here and people have slowly began to come around. Hopefully Saban will too.
This post was edited on 11/6/22 at 7:31 am
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Posted on 11/6/22 at 7:30 am to YStar
Yeah, Golding has his own issues and needs to be shown the door but we weren’t this bad as a team until O’Brien arrived.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 7:30 am to YStar
and Doug.
The defensive problem started when Pruitt got the UT deal. Nick promoted Tosh as the DC not because that was best for the team but because he didn't want to lose Tosh and his recruiting. We've been in a freefall since on defense.
The defensive problem started when Pruitt got the UT deal. Nick promoted Tosh as the DC not because that was best for the team but because he didn't want to lose Tosh and his recruiting. We've been in a freefall since on defense.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 7:33 am to YStar
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Since he has been QB Coach
1. We played in the National Championship last year. We were just unlucky to have to play UGA a 2nd time and play them without any good receivers with experience.
2. WR is the issue again this year. Our transfers have been hurt or not very good. Our young guys are taking longer to blossom. Some of you guys got so spoiled by Smitty, Juedy, Ruggs, and Waddle years that you forgot that’s not common. Before that we typically had one NFL stud on the roster and a bunch of JAGs.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 7:36 am to jryanw
JMO but we don't have a NFL guy this cycle based on those that actual play minutes. Now we do have the average guy part really covered.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 7:46 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
We don’t need 4 NFL receivers to have a productive passing game. Our route trees suck and it looks like our guys can’t get open. Notice there are never wide open receivers because of BOB offense. Schematically we should be able to get players wide open but BOB doesn’t scheme.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 7:49 am to jryanw
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1. We played in the National Championship last year. We were just unlucky to have to play UGA a 2nd time and play them without any good receivers with experience.
2. WR is the issue again this year. Our transfers have been hurt or not very good. Our young guys are taking longer to blossom. Some of you guys got so spoiled by Smitty, Juedy, Ruggs, and Waddle years that you forgot that’s not common. Before that we typically had one NFL stud on the roster and a bunch of JAGs.
Receiver is the most replaceable position on the field. They get a lot of hype because they score a lot, but think back on the early Saban teams or look around the country at many of the best teams in college or the NFL. What they have is a group of average receivers who can be schemed open by a competent OC. Georgia has one elite pass catcher in Bowers, but other than that all of their receivers are average. They still manage to get them open. The New England Patriots, when they were having their success before and after O'Brien, built the NFL's best run off of a great QB and a revolving door of possession receivers.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 7:49 am to BigFolks6347
Bingo
Posted on 11/6/22 at 7:53 am to BigFolks6347
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Our route trees suck
When there are two guys running routes to the same spot on the field on nearly every play there's a fricking problem. That's probably 90% of the issue. We're sending two of our receivers into double coverage without the defense having to actually double them while only keeping 5 or 6 guys in to block. So none of the benefits of going wide open and none of the benefits of going max protect. It's a mess.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 7:55 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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JMO but we don't have a NFL guy this cycle based on those that actual play minutes. Now we do have the average guy part really covered.
Agreed. Brooks could develop into a stud but he’s not there yet. The biggest issue we have at WR is a lot of them can’t get open and the ones that do drop the ball half the time,
Posted on 11/6/22 at 8:00 am to jryanw
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WR is the issue again this year. Our transfers have been hurt or not very good. Our young guys are taking longer to blossom. Some of you guys got so spoiled by Smitty, Juedy, Ruggs, and Waddle years that you forgot that’s not common
You're arguing with yourself in these statements.
If you require 1st round WRs for your offense to function, your offense suck. You need to throw it away and start over.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 8:12 am to TizzyT4theUofA
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If you require 1st round WRs for your offense to function, your offense suck. You need to throw it away and start over.
I guess our offense has sucked every year under Saban then. This will be our first year of not having one in the 2 deep. Every other year we’ve had one. Sometimes it’s the same guy for 3 years like Julio and Cooper but we’ve always had one.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 8:15 am to jryanw
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I guess our offense has sucked every year under Saban then
No, they haven't because we had OCs that could scheme people open. Just like OCs for every other team in America that doesn't have a first round WRs.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 8:20 am to TizzyT4theUofA
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No, they haven't because we had OCs that could scheme people open. Just like OCs for every other team in America that doesn't have a first round WRs.
Every other OC in America isn’t playing for a NT every year. You absolutely need one to compete for a national title. Name a championship team in the last 10 years that didn’t have a 1st round WR or TE.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 8:28 am to TizzyT4theUofA
OP, how does Ohio State have a seemingly endless supply of NFL caliber WR’s? Hell, they are so deep that Williams transferred to Bama a couple of years ago and they didn’t even miss him, and their pre-season AA this year Smith-Njigba has been hurt and played very sparingly and they haven’t missed a beat?
Could it maybe be the scheme making good players look even better? Jo Jo Earl, Prentice, Bond and maybe a couple of others are talented enough receivers but they aren’t being put in the best position to succeed. In other words, it’s the scheme, not the players. BOB is a complete moron.
Could it maybe be the scheme making good players look even better? Jo Jo Earl, Prentice, Bond and maybe a couple of others are talented enough receivers but they aren’t being put in the best position to succeed. In other words, it’s the scheme, not the players. BOB is a complete moron.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 8:29 am to jryanw
People will argue with me but if you look at Saban's DC and OC hires, they have been 50good/50bad at best. Sometimes we have won in spite of the bad just due to talent. While Saban is a good recruiter and organizer, hiring coaches is where he struggles. He really is more of a 'process' type coach than an in-game actual chess master.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 8:29 am to jryanw
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Every other OC in America isn’t playing for a NT every year. You absolutely need one to compete for a national title. Name a championship team in the last 10 years that didn’t have a 1st round WR or TE.
WRs are very important for winning NCs but we can't even win our division.
UGA has a 1st round TE but Burton was their best WR. Right now McConkey is their best WR and they look like the best team in the nation. We have WR talent, our scheme is just trash.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 8:33 am to Shocco
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People will argue with me but if you look at Saban's DC and OC hires, they have been 50good/50bad at best. Sometimes we have won in spite of the bad just due to talent. While Saban is a good recruiter and organizer, hiring coaches is where he struggles. He really is more of a 'process' type coach than an in-game actual chess master.
Agreed. These guys all have short term memories. They got spoiled by Kiffin and Sark being unwanted back to back and forgot about Nuss and Applewhite.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 8:34 am to Shocco
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People will argue with me but if you look at Saban's DC and OC hires, they have been 50good/50bad at best.
Sark, Mc, Kiffin, and Dabol were good hires. BoB, Applewhite, and Nuss were not. I would put Locksley closer to a bad hire than good.
Kirby and Pruitt were good hires and Tosh, and Pete were not. Steele was decent.
I think I can agree with you.
This post was edited on 11/6/22 at 8:36 am
Posted on 11/6/22 at 8:39 am to TizzyT4theUofA
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UGA has a 1st round TE but Burton was their best WR. Right now McConkey is their best WR and they look like the best team in the nation. We have WR talent, our scheme is just trash.
1. Their TE is the best one we’ve seen in years. He’s better than most WRs in college football.
2. They had Pickens back for the championship last year.
3. Im not saying our scheme doesn’t need work I’m just saying that to act like the talent at WR isn’t a problem is crazy. Kiffin is the best in the country at scheming guys open and I think he would even have a hard time trying to get these guys open.
4. Saban’s loyalty to hard workers who suck has contributed to this issue. Holden should’ve been processed already but he keeps getting to start. He’s too slow to be effective in the SEC. Same goes for Dalcourt. You can’t bash their work ethic. Both work their asses off but the talent isn’t there.
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