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Sky is Falling - Harsin Lost Control - OMG

Posted on 2/2/22 at 2:56 am
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 2/2/22 at 2:56 am
I do not deny that 5 coaches leaving within 1 year looks very bad from the outside if you just browse headlines. But I truly think it is a string of incompetent coaches, coincidences, and bad luck more than it is anything to do with Harsin himself. (The Bammerham media won't cover it that way, though). Let's look at each departure:

1) WR coach Corn was fired after 4th game. Almost all of us on here were noticing how bad our receivers were early on. Couldn't get lined up, guys were running on and off the field in confusion, and no one could catch a cold. Harsin fired him and none of us cared. I would put this one in the "incompetent coach" category.

2) Bobo. I, personally, was fine with giving him another year because I know he is a veteran coach and could probably figure things out. However, I was in the minority and most AU fans wanted him gone. His 2nd half performances were pitiful most of the year and he ultimately got fired for it. This happens every day with CFB coaches who don't perform and I see nothing "out of the ordinary" about his departure. I put this one in the "incompetent coach" category.

3) Eason. Eason is a Clemson grad and Clemson just happened to need a DL coach. They go to the play-offs about every year in their weak arse conference, so who can blame him for taking it? Almost no team in America would keep Eason if Clemson came calling (I am not even sure Bama or UGA would keep him). I put this one in the "bad luck" category.

4) Mason. This one looks bad, no question about it. It seems pretty clear that Mason was not happy for reasons we probably won't know. What we do know is Mason took it upon himself to "resign" before anyone else hired him just to voice his dissatisfaction. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe Mason released a "goodbye" statement which means he was probably pretty pissed. I put this one in the "Yeah, this is bad, bros" category.

5) Davis. If you'll remember, it seemed like Harsin and Davis negotiated forever and that Harsin really had to pull teeth to get him to accept. Davis was here 6 weeks and never coached a practice or a game. Therefore, it seems highly unlikely to me that he and Harsin "had words" or there was some rift between them. I think Davis got to AU and thought "I have got to recruit 24/7. I miss the 9-5 life in the NFL." Davis did put out a public statement (he didn't have to) and explained he just didn't like not having a life. He even said it had nothing to do with Harsin. I dunno about you, but I think if he had a major problem with AU or Harsin, that there's no way he puts out any statement at all. I chock this one up to "bad luck."

So the final tally is 2 incompetent coaches who needed firing and 2 instances where AU was unlucky with circumstances. And only ONE incident where AU (or Harsin) looks bad.

So are we going to panic and say the sky is falling because Harsin and Mason didn't get along? I think that's a stretch.
Posted by Poker Dough
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2018
9761 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 4:30 am to
But Harsin hired the 2 incompetent coaches, and it seems like the Davis mess could have been avoided. Eason I will give you. Mason looks bad, there is no denying that. Recruiting also nose dived, and if we miss on all 3 guys today, his seat will get hotter. The late game, late season collapse is on Harsin too....he is the HC.
Posted by Jyrdis
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Posted on 2/2/22 at 6:20 am to
1) Corn needed to be fired
2) SC laughed at us for taking Bobo
3) Mason needed to be fired after the Miss State debacle
4) meh
5) Something wasn’t right with this guy

The melting that has taken place over the last few weeks has been sad. Go out and enjoy life. AU basketball is on fire.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 7:26 am to
The recruiting is what concerns me. I keep hearing that so many recruits have not been contacted by Auburn. I hope that this is not true.

That and not bringing in any OL or WR in the portal while losing so much DL talent.
Posted by Tigerman97
Member since Jun 2014
10354 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 7:27 am to
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But I truly think it is a string of incompetent coaches, coincidences, and bad luck more than it is anything to do with Harsin himself.


That is some jedi level self denial to believe all that is going on has nothing to do with the guy in charge.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
108279 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 7:42 am to
I get what you are trying to say here and I am on board with some of it and a Harsin supporter, but people looking for ways not to blame Harsin needs to stop. He is at the helm, and therefore he needs to be the one responsible regardless of circumstances.

It will be up to him to turn Auburn into the vision he sees it being too.

I get where people who have pulled support no matter how little it may have been to begin with. Some of the things happening are making me uncomfortable as well. I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet, but bash or try to change minds of those that have. It's up to Harsin now to show he deserved the job.
Posted by Poker Dough
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2018
9761 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 7:46 am to
What ever the circumstance, everything going on makes us look terrible to outsiders, including recruits and their famalies. Right, wrong, or indifferent perception is reality
Posted by RoscoeSanCarlos
Member since Oct 2017
2037 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 7:48 am to
Reasonable and rational perspective.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
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108279 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 7:50 am to
That's up to Harsin to change that if true.
Posted by Poker Dough
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2018
9761 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 7:51 am to
Nobody else can
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50758 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 7:56 am to
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Corn needed to be fired

Agreed. Had to make room for potato posse.
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2) SC laughed at us for taking Bobo

He actually did a decent job for us, so I don’t care about irrelevant South Carolina. QBs also got better. Play quality in the bowl game was also indisputably no better.
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3) Mason needed to be fired after the Miss State debacle

Mason was the best coach on our coaching staff and you think he should be fired for one game? You’re clueless
Posted by Awesome Dave
Auburn, AL
Member since Sep 2014
895 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 8:19 am to
Our 5 star starting QB also walked. But some people weren't too upset about that either. I personally wish he'd stayed because we don't have anyone better.
Posted by Etowah
Alabama
Member since Oct 2016
386 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 8:31 am to
The only thing that bothered me was Mason and Eason leaving but that's part of coaching. I am worried about the perception this has on recruits. Even though coaching turnover is normal the way is it happening (Davis) makes us look undesirable.
Posted by Leto II
Arrakis
Member since Dec 2018
22813 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 8:31 am to
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What ever the circumstance, everything going on makes us look terrible to outsiders


This. I don't know what he can say or do, but some words of reassurance sure would be nice about now.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
19591 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 8:41 am to
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This. I don't know what he can say or do, but some words of reassurance sure would be nice about now.
This is where Harsin’s playing everything close to the vest is a bad look, at least to us outside the program.

I never would have believed it, but he seems more paranoid than Gustav.
Posted by AuSteeler
montgomery. AL
Member since Jan 2015
2989 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 8:44 am to
Words of assurance?

Like where we going to find that at this time? It ain't there guys.

But going forward.... I realize we just need to get to the next period of time, where we continue to do a better job in the portal, and after spring, we better have some replacements lined up to give us at least a full roster by Fall...
Posted by Leto II
Arrakis
Member since Dec 2018
22813 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 8:54 am to
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I never would have believed it, but he seems more paranoid than Gustav.


Me either but you are right
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50758 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:27 am to
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This is where Harsin’s playing everything close to the vest is a bad look, at least to us outside the program.

This much turnover is unusual for Auburn, but not an aberration in his own career. He probably doesn’t know what all the commotion is about.
Posted by TemperdTiger
Montgomery, AL
Member since Oct 2013
2391 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:35 am to
"Many programs don't allow media in at all. Some, like Alabama, allow media in, and then prohibit their media from reporting what they see..."

Like why would you want to let people in who are just going to take what they do get out of context making your program look bad. It's okay not to let a second hand source in.
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 9:36 am
Posted by TemperdTiger
Montgomery, AL
Member since Oct 2013
2391 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:09 am to
I think I'll just support the guy we have until he's not the guy we have or he's had the chance to prove he's shouldn't be the guy we have. Until he gets that chance I'm not going to support the 8th thread on the topic.
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