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re: Brian Kelly will be LSU'S Gerry Faust
Posted on 12/2/21 at 9:22 am to Dock Holiday
Posted on 12/2/21 at 9:22 am to Dock Holiday
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So - In your opinion are Les Miles and Coach O better football coaches than Kelly?
Les Miles backed into a National Title with 2 losses during an era in which Alabama was losing to the likes of Louisiana-Monroe. He was the beneficiary of being in the right job at the right time. But that LSU team was not really that good relative to other National Title teams.... losses to TWO 8-5 opponents. When is the last time a National Champ had 2 losses to 5-loss teams? Has it ever happened before?
Ed O had a great team in 2019, no doubt. But you can credit that mostly to having an incredible staff (Brady, Aranda, etc.) coupled with a fantastic transfer QB. It was a perfect situation that resulted in a title, but it was obvious at the time it was not going to be long-lasting. It was a one-year success story (like AU in 2010) that would likely not be repeated.
Could Brian Kelly luck into a title or hit that perfect storm? Absolutely. But its harder to do that now in an improved SEC where all programs are swimming in cash. Ole Miss, Arkansas, and Mississippi State have even upgraded themselves. And Texas A&M is recruiting at a very high level. You can't luck your way to the top of the West nowadays.
I expect Brian Kelly to have success at LSU. If Saban starts declining due to age, he could possibly take LSU to to top of the West. But my gut feeling is that after 4 seasons he'll have zero National Titles, zero playoff appearances, and probably no SEC Championships. Strong 9-3 or 10-2 type teams are likely in LSU's future IMO.
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Posted on 12/2/21 at 10:46 am to BHMKyle
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BHMKyle
You avoided the question I posed, and instead went on a opinionated diatribe of regurgitate talking points seen 1000 times.
I'll ask again, would Miles or Oeaux become the winningest coach in Notre Dame history is either have been given the chance?
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But my gut feeling is that after 4 seasons he'll have zero National Titles, zero playoff appearances, and probably no SEC Championships. Strong 9-3 or 10-2 type teams are likely in LSU's future IMO.
So, can we agree that Saban is a once in a generation type of coach and comparing him to others is a tired exercise?
Did you know win/loss records of the last two coaches at LSU when not actually on the sidelines in Baton Rouge in LSU gear?
When you look at Miles and O and evaluate their records at schools not named LSU, you see something eye popping, in a bad way... then you look at their record at LSU and it seems an outlier... .
But when you take it all in, you realize LSU made Miles and O successful more than the other way around.
Your quote above from your "gut" holds no basis in fundamental facts... LSU have made the last two coaches successful in their careers, they each hit the pinnacle of their professional jourey only while on the sidelines in Baton Rouge... the "gut feeling" that Kelly will be less successful then the last two coaches is simply laughable.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 10:56 am to BHMKyle
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Les Miles backed into a National Title with 2 losses during an era in which Alabama was losing to the likes of Louisiana-Monroe.
he also coached in an era where Florida and Auburn were winning and playing for multiple national titles. He played both of those teams ever year. He axe-murdered good programs from other conferences as well. Alabama may have been down, but others were up. That's kind of how college football works. Les also went toe-to-toe with Alabama until 2015. Les won in 2007, lost in OT in 2008, Alabama put it away in the 4th quarter in 2009, won in 2010, won and lost in 2011, lost in the last minute of play in 2012, got beat effectively in 2013, and lost in OT in 2014. Yes, his title in 2007 involved a lot of luck, but his entire tenure did not. Les won a ton of games against very good teams throughout his time at LSU
This post was edited on 12/2/21 at 11:20 am
Posted on 12/2/21 at 11:53 am to BHMKyle
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he'll have zero National Titles, zero playoff appearances, and probably no SEC Championships. Strong 9-3 or 10-2 type teams are likely in LSU's future
100% agree
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