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re: WR Derrick Griffi visiting.

Posted on 2/11/13 at 2:15 pm to
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
Good Ole Rocky Top Tennessee
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Posted on 2/11/13 at 2:15 pm to
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But you can't back count to replace nonqualifiers.


You can if you sign and place them. That is the only way now it think.
Posted by Lee County Tiger
I Haz Sources
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Posted on 2/11/13 at 2:59 pm to
Not really. The Nutter fricked it up for everyone.
Posted by Weagle25
THE Football State.
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 2/11/13 at 3:00 pm to
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You can if you sign and place them. That is the only way now it think.

Nope. If you sign and place that spot is gone forever. You can only back count if you do not sign a full 25 the year before. So if we sign 23 this year we can sign 27 next year. But if we sign 24 including Griffin and he goes JUCo we can only sign 26 next year.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37706 posts
Posted on 2/11/13 at 3:29 pm to
If you sign and place to prep school and EE they get their initial counter.

If we dont have widespread attrition we are going to be in a scholarship crunch and wont sign 25 anyways
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22368 posts
Posted on 2/11/13 at 3:41 pm to
The numbers will work themselves out... barring some true seeing-the-light type moments from the players already on campus, we are going to experience some serious attrition between now and the beginning of fall camp.

We'll lose 7-10 players between now and NSD 2014, giving us around a 25-man class.... book it.
Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 2/11/13 at 5:45 pm to
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I am pretty sure thats only if you were actually enrolled in a four year school prior to Juco. All you need is one full year and passing grades if not


I always understood that if you go to JUCO, you had to complete your curriculum there before signing with a 4-year school.
Posted by Warfarer
Dothan, AL
Member since May 2010
12126 posts
Posted on 2/11/13 at 5:46 pm to
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I am pretty sure thats only if you were actually enrolled in a four year school prior to Juco. All you need is one full year and passing grades if not



If you go prep school, you have to graduate from there before moving back to a 4 year university. I asked BM about this one day and that is what he told me. A kid can't go to JUCO and have straight As for a year and return without an associates degree.

ETA If the kid has no chance of qualifying, I would certainly pass on him and save the spot just in case we need. If there is any chance that he qualifies, even 5%, sign him and take the chance.
This post was edited on 2/11/13 at 5:47 pm
Posted by ellitor
Member since Sep 2012
14285 posts
Posted on 2/11/13 at 6:03 pm to
IMO it's worth the gamble even if there is no chance he qualifies now only because of how gifted Derrick is athletically. Derrick Griffins don't grow on trees. I think it's worth getting the 2 year leg up.
Posted by Warfarer
Dothan, AL
Member since May 2010
12126 posts
Posted on 2/11/13 at 6:24 pm to
i wonder what the percentage of sign and place resign where they did originally. I know Auburn missed a lot of them in the Tuberville years but he sign and placed a ton of kids.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
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Posted on 2/11/13 at 7:06 pm to
Even with serious 7-10 person attrition, that still places us at a number crunch for next year. We are at 85 with 13 or 14 seniors off the top my head. That is pretty darn low
Posted by Warfarer
Dothan, AL
Member since May 2010
12126 posts
Posted on 2/11/13 at 7:34 pm to
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Even with serious 7-10 person attrition, that still places us at a number crunch for next year. We are at 85 with 13 or 14 seniors off the top my head. That is pretty darn low


that is why I said in the recruiting thread that I thought we would end up with 19-22 this year. We have 14 seniors with 1 extra open spot. I could easily see 5 people leaving the program for one reason or another this year to open it up to about 20 spots. The key is going to be leaving enough spots open to count back several the year after. We have 25 juniors now so that will be a big class leaving and a big void.
Posted by ellitor
Member since Sep 2012
14285 posts
Posted on 2/11/13 at 8:07 pm to
We are at 83 now. 84 if you count Lembke. drop those 14 seniors and you are at 70. 7 is a safe attrition number. So we are looking at 22-25 signees in 2014
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22368 posts
Posted on 2/11/13 at 8:41 pm to
Seven might be on the low side, as well... after spring, I think you'll see a few guys who won't see themselves as part of this staff's long-term plan (it's already happened with a couple).

We'll see how it all shakes out over the next few months, but IMO there's no way this staff (or any staff with its 1st full year to recruit, for that matter) isn't bringing in a full 25 man class next Feb.
Posted by ellitor
Member since Sep 2012
14285 posts
Posted on 2/11/13 at 9:54 pm to
We are at 83 now. 84 if you count Lembke. drop those 14 seniors and you are at 70. 7 is a safe attrition number. So we are looking at 22-25 signees in 2014
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37706 posts
Posted on 2/11/13 at 9:56 pm to
So losing that initial counter spot for Derrick Griffin isn't the end of the world is what you are telling me then?
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37706 posts
Posted on 2/11/13 at 10:11 pm to
So losing that initial counter spot for Derrick Griffin isn't the end of the world is what you are telling me then?
Posted by ellitor
Member since Sep 2012
14285 posts
Posted on 2/12/13 at 7:14 am to
For the leg up on getting a player like Griffin in 2 years, exactly.
Posted by piggidyphish
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2009
18880 posts
Posted on 2/12/13 at 8:12 am to
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Derrick Griffins don't grow on trees


Color me skeptical on gifted yet stupid receivers. Thanks Delo.
Posted by ellitor
Member since Sep 2012
14285 posts
Posted on 2/12/13 at 5:58 pm to
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Color me skeptical on gifted yet stupid receivers. Thanks Delo.
Color you very much overly judgemental for calling a kid stupid. He made the A/B honor roll last semester. He appears to be turning his life around and applying himself.
Posted by TheJones
Member since Nov 2009
33342 posts
Posted on 2/12/13 at 6:37 pm to
I imagine we'll shed 2-3 before spring practice even.
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