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Posted on 8/26/16 at 7:29 am to TheJones
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Took him all offseason to beat out the guy that can't read defenses and throws the ball backwards + a WR with inaccuracy issues and a drama queen Netflix c-list celebrity.
Couldn't it be that Malzahn promised JF3 he would have a fair chance at winning the job and that Malzahn gave him time to try to do so?
Posted on 8/26/16 at 7:34 am to Awesome Dave
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Couldn't it be that Malzahn promised JF3 he would have a fair chance at winning the job and that Malzahn gave him time to try to do so?
We were his biggest offer, we didn't need to promise shite. Spring + Early fall camp is more than enough time. Not a week before game 1
Posted on 8/26/16 at 7:51 am to allin2010
Stoner Cam's reaction when he found out he was named starter:
Posted on 8/26/16 at 8:10 am to WildWillie
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1st down run for 2 yards
2nd down run for 2 yards
3rd down dropped pass
59 yard field goal from Carlson
3 points > 0 points
Posted on 8/26/16 at 8:24 am to DesignTiger
I posted this elsewhere and figured I'd drop it here...this is just my mindset on SW:
My gripe is that everyone thinks SW's ceiling is a game manager. I don't think people understand or take into account the situation last year. Sean was a freshman, put into a bad situation with an offense not built around him. Then when he starts getting into a rhythm, he gets hurt. If he wasn't tough enough to play the UGA and Memphis games last year we our lasting impression of him would've been the UK, OM and Arky games and we'd be thinking that he's good enough to move the ball. Again, he was just a freshman and it's silly to think he won't get any better with experience on top of health
My gripe is that everyone thinks SW's ceiling is a game manager. I don't think people understand or take into account the situation last year. Sean was a freshman, put into a bad situation with an offense not built around him. Then when he starts getting into a rhythm, he gets hurt. If he wasn't tough enough to play the UGA and Memphis games last year we our lasting impression of him would've been the UK, OM and Arky games and we'd be thinking that he's good enough to move the ball. Again, he was just a freshman and it's silly to think he won't get any better with experience on top of health
Posted on 8/26/16 at 8:30 am to WareagleKK
Unless the offense changes, it doesn't matter what his ceiling is. He will be a square peg trying to fit into a round hole. It's not his fault, but if that happens, he doesn't fit and it'll be very tough for him to succeed.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 8:42 am to WareagleKK
People forget that
Posted on 8/26/16 at 8:42 am to TTsTowel
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Unless the offense changes, it doesn't matter what his ceiling is. He will be a square peg trying to fit into a round hole. It's not his fault, but if that happens, he doesn't fit and it'll be very tough for him to succeed.
Apparently we found ways to make him effective from UK to Ole Miss. Obviously not the best 3 defenses in the SEC, but the offense certainly looked effective enough.
I would like to see more 5-7 yard button hooks, curls, digs and utilize more flood concepts and drag routes. I think implementing some of that would go a long ways in keeping LBs honest.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 9:10 am to DesignTiger
True.
But unfortunately all those beautiful Carlson FGs against Alabama, Georgia and others last year didn't count for jack squat in the end.
To be successful, our offensive brain trust needs to find ways to get in the end zone.
But unfortunately all those beautiful Carlson FGs against Alabama, Georgia and others last year didn't count for jack squat in the end.
To be successful, our offensive brain trust needs to find ways to get in the end zone.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 9:19 am to WareagleKK
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Apparently we found ways to make him effective from UK to Ole Miss. Obviously not the best 3 defenses in the SEC, but the offense certainly looked effective enough.
I would like to see more 5-7 yard button hooks, curls, digs and utilize more flood concepts and drag routes. I think implementing some of that would go a long ways in keeping LBs honest.
I think the big thing that we need to do is be creative running the ball, get motions back into the offense and throw some 5-10 yard routes. Last year it was obvious (WAY TOO OBVIOUS) who the ball was going to when White dropped back because there was literally one receiver running a route half the time and the other receivers would shoot the shite with the db for a few seconds before walking back to the line again.
I think White could be a really good quarterback but my reservations are on Malzahn for working around him. Our line will need to play well to open the run game and losing JR will hurt in that aspect. The bright side is that we don't need a back to break long runs consistently, we need a guy who can pound it between the tackles for 5 yards consistently to open up the pass.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 10:49 am to Warfarer
Hopefully he can add to his 1 TD pass.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 10:49 am to allin2010
There's subscriber content on ITAT by stattiger with the headline "Stat Tiger: Play Calls a Key for White".
I'm not a subscriber over there so I can't read the article, but I imagine it goes something like "running-back give up the middle for 2 yards, running-back give upo the middle for 1 yard, followed by a 3rd-and-long pass is NOT a formula for success for a young QB and something needs to change".
I'm not a subscriber over there so I can't read the article, but I imagine it goes something like "running-back give up the middle for 2 yards, running-back give upo the middle for 1 yard, followed by a 3rd-and-long pass is NOT a formula for success for a young QB and something needs to change".
Posted on 8/27/16 at 12:13 pm to beatbammer
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I'm not a subscriber over there so I can't read the article, but I imagine it goes something like "running-back give up the middle for 2 yards, running-back give upo the middle for 1 yard, followed by a 3rd-and-long pass is NOT a formula for success for a young QB and something needs to change".
You misspelled 'wildcat QB run up the middle for 1 yard.'
Posted on 8/27/16 at 12:15 pm to beatbammer
It's a good article. Makes me feel better about White if we call plays differently and your assesment is correct. He had the 4th highest passer rating on the conference on 1st down throws and averaged almost 10 yards per completion. Unfortunately we ran the ball 80% of the time on 1st down. When I get to a computer if I can remember I'll copy and paste it.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 12:40 pm to marshallcotiger
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Unfortunately we ran the ball 80% of the time on 1st down
When will Chizik stop meddling in the offense?
Posted on 8/27/16 at 1:34 pm to marshallcotiger
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It's a good article. Makes me feel better about White if we call plays differently and your assesment is correct. He had the 4th highest passer rating on the conference on 1st down throws and averaged almost 10 yards per completion. Unfortunately we ran the ball 80% of the time on 1st down. When I get to a computer if I can remember I'll copy and paste it.
Preciate it, marsh.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 1:40 pm to beatbammer
Sean White 2015 Highlights
I'm just going to leave this here for all the Sean White supporters and haters. I personally love what I saw from him last year as a redshirt freshman thrown into the fire in the middle of SEC play. Sure he needs help from his receivers and Gus, and he needs to stay healthy. But there is no reason to think he won't be a lot better in his second year starting. I'm pretty optimistic and way more confident with SW running the offense than anyone else we have.
I'm just going to leave this here for all the Sean White supporters and haters. I personally love what I saw from him last year as a redshirt freshman thrown into the fire in the middle of SEC play. Sure he needs help from his receivers and Gus, and he needs to stay healthy. But there is no reason to think he won't be a lot better in his second year starting. I'm pretty optimistic and way more confident with SW running the offense than anyone else we have.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 2:19 pm to ATLtiger12
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Sean White 2015 Highlights
I was counting drops.
I counted 16 dropped passes. At least 12 of them were blatant drops right in the receivers hands. Another 4 were likely tough catches, but catches that good receivers make.
7 of those drops would have gone for 25+ yards.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 2:38 pm to beatbammer
With Sean White being named the starting quarterback to begin the 2016 Auburn football team, it is up to Coach Gus Malzahn to give the redshirt sophomore quarterback the best opportunity to be successful.
Chris Todd, Cam Newton and Nick Marshall benefited from having the offense tailored to their strengths. The same must be accomplished with White for the Auburn offense to reach its full potential.
For this to happen he must be allowed to throw more often when Auburn wants to rather than throwing when Auburn has to. With the Tigers opening the season against Clemson the offense will need to be consistent and efficient, which means White will be called on to make plays. The opportunity for success will be better on first down than third down.
Some notes on Sean White during the 2015 season:
*As a redshirt freshman he was No. 4 in the Southeastern Conference when it came to throwing for first downs on first down. The league average was 28.9 percent and White finished at 37.8 percent.
*White was No. 4 in the SEC with 9.4 yards per pass attempt on first down. White’s average per attempt was 10.4 yards during his first five career starts.
*White was No. 8 in the Southeastern Conference in converting third downs when throwing the football. He converted 35.3 percent during the 2015 season.
Part of the problem was that White was forced to throw while facing an average distance of 8.3 yards to convert. During the 2015 season nearly 45 percent of his third down situations (passing) were of nine yards or more. Despite being placed in too many third and long situations, White had the third highest pass efficiency rating facing third and ten or longer in the conference.
*When it came to generating an impact play (15+ yards) on third down, White was No. 2 in the Southeastern Conference with a ratio of 1 every 4.2 pass attempts on third down. The league average during 2015 was one every 5.9 pass attempts.
*Overall, White was No. 5 in the Southeastern Conference on producing a first down on his pass attempts at 35.0 percent.
*Regarding the production of impact plays (15+ yards), White was No. 4 in the Southeastern Conference, producing an impact play during 20.3 percent of his pass attempts.
*Of the 20 quarterbacks in the Southeastern Conference who attempted at least 75 passes during 2015, White was dead last in the percentage of pass attempts occurring on first down. Only 25.9 percent of his pass attempts happened on first down. The league average was 38.5 percent.
Last season Auburn ran the ball 80.6 percent of the time on first down with White as the starter. With Jeremy Johnson as the starter Auburn ran the ball 76.6 percent of the time on first down. Becoming predictable on first down normally resulted in White having to convert too many third and long situations. Last season he attempted 37 passes on first down and 51 passes on third down.
Looking at the top three passers in the Southeastern Conference during 2015, Chad Kelly of Ole Miss finished with 205 pass attempts on first down and 86 on third down. Dak Prescott of Mississippi State attempted 220 first down passes to only 100 pass attempts on third down and Brandon Allen of Arkansas threw 127 passes on first down to 87 attempts on third down. Examining the ratio of first down pass attempts to third down, the league ratio was 1.42. White was dead last among 20 Southeastern quarterbacks with a ratio of .73.
Of Malzahn’s 10 collegiate offenses five attempted more passes on first down than third down and three of those were away from Auburn. Only the 2010 and 2013 Auburn offenses attempted more passes on first down than third down, and that was likely because Cam Newton and Nick Marshall were able to keep Auburn out of obvious passing situations.
As long as White is the starter, the 2016 offense must operate similarly to Malzahn’s Tulsa and Arkansas State offenses. The quarterback is athletic enough to extend the play and to make the occasional play on the edge as a runner. Of his 21 carries last season, six resulted in a gain of ten yards or more. He will certainly be called on to make more plays through the air than on the ground. With this being the case, he needs more opportunities throwing the football on first down.
Last season teams at the FBS level had a pass rating of 139.7 on first down and a rating of 120.6 on third down. Teams across the country completed 61 percent of their passes on first down compared to 53 percent on third down, and interceptions increased by nearly 30 percent on third down compared to first down.
Playing aggressively on first down will make the Auburn offense less predictable and will allow White to play frequently downhill rather than playing uphill the majority of the game. White should let Malzahn open the complete playbook should the entire offense find its groove.
Finding their rhythm will require the Tigers’ offensive line to provide consistent protection and for the wide receivers to deliver when targeted. Avoiding the obvious passing situations will also take the pressure off the offensive line.
The read-option aspect will still be there, especially if Malzahn implements the element of passing as part of the read by the quarterback. Baylor and Oregon have been very effective in this regard. Auburn doesn’t need to pass 35 times per game to field an effective passing game, but White must be placed in optimum situational plays.
Chris Todd, Cam Newton and Nick Marshall benefited from having the offense tailored to their strengths. The same must be accomplished with White for the Auburn offense to reach its full potential.
For this to happen he must be allowed to throw more often when Auburn wants to rather than throwing when Auburn has to. With the Tigers opening the season against Clemson the offense will need to be consistent and efficient, which means White will be called on to make plays. The opportunity for success will be better on first down than third down.
Some notes on Sean White during the 2015 season:
*As a redshirt freshman he was No. 4 in the Southeastern Conference when it came to throwing for first downs on first down. The league average was 28.9 percent and White finished at 37.8 percent.
*White was No. 4 in the SEC with 9.4 yards per pass attempt on first down. White’s average per attempt was 10.4 yards during his first five career starts.
*White was No. 8 in the Southeastern Conference in converting third downs when throwing the football. He converted 35.3 percent during the 2015 season.
Part of the problem was that White was forced to throw while facing an average distance of 8.3 yards to convert. During the 2015 season nearly 45 percent of his third down situations (passing) were of nine yards or more. Despite being placed in too many third and long situations, White had the third highest pass efficiency rating facing third and ten or longer in the conference.
*When it came to generating an impact play (15+ yards) on third down, White was No. 2 in the Southeastern Conference with a ratio of 1 every 4.2 pass attempts on third down. The league average during 2015 was one every 5.9 pass attempts.
*Overall, White was No. 5 in the Southeastern Conference on producing a first down on his pass attempts at 35.0 percent.
*Regarding the production of impact plays (15+ yards), White was No. 4 in the Southeastern Conference, producing an impact play during 20.3 percent of his pass attempts.
*Of the 20 quarterbacks in the Southeastern Conference who attempted at least 75 passes during 2015, White was dead last in the percentage of pass attempts occurring on first down. Only 25.9 percent of his pass attempts happened on first down. The league average was 38.5 percent.
Last season Auburn ran the ball 80.6 percent of the time on first down with White as the starter. With Jeremy Johnson as the starter Auburn ran the ball 76.6 percent of the time on first down. Becoming predictable on first down normally resulted in White having to convert too many third and long situations. Last season he attempted 37 passes on first down and 51 passes on third down.
Looking at the top three passers in the Southeastern Conference during 2015, Chad Kelly of Ole Miss finished with 205 pass attempts on first down and 86 on third down. Dak Prescott of Mississippi State attempted 220 first down passes to only 100 pass attempts on third down and Brandon Allen of Arkansas threw 127 passes on first down to 87 attempts on third down. Examining the ratio of first down pass attempts to third down, the league ratio was 1.42. White was dead last among 20 Southeastern quarterbacks with a ratio of .73.
Of Malzahn’s 10 collegiate offenses five attempted more passes on first down than third down and three of those were away from Auburn. Only the 2010 and 2013 Auburn offenses attempted more passes on first down than third down, and that was likely because Cam Newton and Nick Marshall were able to keep Auburn out of obvious passing situations.
As long as White is the starter, the 2016 offense must operate similarly to Malzahn’s Tulsa and Arkansas State offenses. The quarterback is athletic enough to extend the play and to make the occasional play on the edge as a runner. Of his 21 carries last season, six resulted in a gain of ten yards or more. He will certainly be called on to make more plays through the air than on the ground. With this being the case, he needs more opportunities throwing the football on first down.
Last season teams at the FBS level had a pass rating of 139.7 on first down and a rating of 120.6 on third down. Teams across the country completed 61 percent of their passes on first down compared to 53 percent on third down, and interceptions increased by nearly 30 percent on third down compared to first down.
Playing aggressively on first down will make the Auburn offense less predictable and will allow White to play frequently downhill rather than playing uphill the majority of the game. White should let Malzahn open the complete playbook should the entire offense find its groove.
Finding their rhythm will require the Tigers’ offensive line to provide consistent protection and for the wide receivers to deliver when targeted. Avoiding the obvious passing situations will also take the pressure off the offensive line.
The read-option aspect will still be there, especially if Malzahn implements the element of passing as part of the read by the quarterback. Baylor and Oregon have been very effective in this regard. Auburn doesn’t need to pass 35 times per game to field an effective passing game, but White must be placed in optimum situational plays.
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