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re: What are we doing, seriously?????
Posted on 10/22/25 at 8:28 pm to 88TIger
Posted on 10/22/25 at 8:28 pm to 88TIger
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Never included it because you were talking about his time at ol miss Your failure not mine.
Absolutely false. You replied to my comparison of Freeze’s Arkansas State+Liberty resume compared to Sumrall’s Troy+Tulane resume.
You left out his 10-2 Arkansas State record in hist first season… a year he went 10-0 against non Power 5 opponents.
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So point out his Admirable Record. What 2 wins against Saban. Go get the Senator back. He beat him 4 times. Or go and get Gus back he beat him a few times 3W 5L. Lets go find someone who has beat DeBore a few times. As Freeze can't get it done.
Your gibberish is hard to decipher, but Freeze had more on his resume that just beating Saban twice. He won 9 games against ranked teams. He lost only one game to an unranked non-Power 5 opponent in five seasons.
It was the most success Ole Miss has had since Vaught. Ignoring obvious facts doesn’t help your argument.
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Your right you said "Admirable"
Exactly. What Freeze accomplished at Ole Miss is 100x more impressive than any of these mid-major newbies y’all are salivating over.
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bullshite
Absolutely not bullshite. How many seasons had Cignetti bean a head coach of an FBS team as of 2022?
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So who was your pick? Freeze, Kiffin, Sanders?
First off, I didn’t want to fire Gus unless we had a plan… so I didn’t want to have to be in the situation of picking a replacement for Harsin in the first place. We never should have gotten rid of Gus if Harsin was the pick.
With that said, I was 100% Kiffin and didn’t like any of the other choices. I did feel that Freeze was the best of the next options. It seemed like Deion was the most popular other name at the time, and I felt then that Freeze was a much better option than Deion. I still feel that way now. We’d be having to endure all types of racial allegations right now if we were trying to ax Deion the same way everyone is doing to Freeze now.
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Posted on 10/22/25 at 8:45 pm to wareaglepete
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If you don’t want to beat the best, you won’t beat the best.
I hate to break it to you, but Auburn will never be “the best.”… Not for a sustained period of time. I say that as a fan of this program for 42 years and as a student of the program’s history.
Auburn can and should be a Top 10-15 program. We should be the type of program that if the right pieces fall into place (ie Cam Newton, etc) we can win a national title every so often. It happened in 1957. It happened again in 2010. And it came very close to happening again in 1958, 1983, 2004, and 2013.
But that’s 6 seasons in the past 75 where we had a realistic shot of winning a title had we made another play or caught a break.
It’s delusional to believe that we should be firing our coach every few years because he can’t beat our rivals who happen to have combined to win 7 of the last 14 national titles and 11 of the last 13 SEC titles. Losing a bunch to 1990s Georgia… fine. Losing to Mike Shula’s bama? Sure. I’ll get behind those firings.
But for the past decade, Alabama and Georgia have been Top 3 national programs. If we punish ourselves because we’re not in the Top 3, we’re only hurting ourselves at that point.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 10:01 pm to AUTiger789
quote:why cant you get behind firing the guy who’s lost to New Mexico State. Cal, Arky, and Vandy in the last 2+ seasons?
It’s delusional to believe that we should be firing our coach every few years because he can’t beat our rivals who happen to have combined to win 7 of the last 14 national titles and 11 of the last 13 SEC titles. Losing a bunch to 1990s Georgia… fine. Losing to Mike Shula’s bama? Sure. I’ll get behind those firings.
forget about beating top 10 teams, why waste millions on assistants and NIL for a guy who cant seem to beat even mediocre teams?
Posted on 10/22/25 at 11:02 pm to AUTiger789
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But that’s 6 seasons in the past 75 where we had a realistic shot of winning a title had we made another play or caught a break.
It’s delusional to believe that we should be firing our coach every few years because he can’t beat our rivals who happen to have combined to win 7 of the last 14 national titles and 11 of the last 13 SEC titles. Losing a bunch to 1990s Georgia… fine. Losing to Mike Shula’s bama? Sure. I’ll get behind those firings.
I remember the time before Alabama and Georgia went on these runs especially Georgia being no where near a top 3 school. They worked their way to the top by putting in the same effort Auburn is going to have to do to compete anytime in the future.
I remember when 1980 was a jab at UGA fans. Im sure everybody in GA is glad they didnt just settle for mediocre because Bamr was at the top and it had been 30 years since they won anything. They refused to accept letting it be their identity. If Auburn is just gonna roll over and accept 8 win season because our rivals are on top right now then Id rather them quit playing the games. Id rather fail miserably taking chances on hiring the best coach to ever wear Orange and Blue, than us accept above average as "who we are", and being happy about an 8 win coach without ever trying to be a top 3 team.
BTW: Ive enjoyed this thread heating up today. Reading opinions on this forum is much better than the gays on AUFam
Posted on 10/23/25 at 4:49 am to AUTiger789
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Yall fired Gus because he wasn’t winning national titles
Gus was run off because talent across the board had fallen off - he had ZERO SEC level talent at O Line. Lots of fancy recruiting rankings from internet gurus, but the rankings didn’t reflect the significance of the talent gap. A major collapse was right around the corner and Auburn has never recovered. If I remember correctly he recruited a single OL in his final 2 years.
Let’s not romanticize the Malzahn years. He caught lightning in a bottle his first year and had 2 regular season wins that earned him an absurd and unprecedented contract extension from a a shite university president that was run out of town and an overly self-important booster.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 8:14 am to AuburnCPA
Do you think the search committee will inform you step by step?
When Pat Dye was hired, I was across the hall from the Master Bedroom of the Head of the search committee. Whenever I was home from school. Not one word spoken until the contract was in the Agent’s hands.
You won’t be informed about anything.
When Pat Dye was hired, I was across the hall from the Master Bedroom of the Head of the search committee. Whenever I was home from school. Not one word spoken until the contract was in the Agent’s hands.
You won’t be informed about anything.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 8:50 am to bluedragon
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When Pat Dye was hired, I was across the hall from the Master Bedroom of the Head of the search committee.
That is so AUsome your parent was on the Search Committee. Any details on the inside scoop of what it entails? Did your dad play sports to get into that position?
Posted on 10/23/25 at 9:32 am to Fearless_and_True
My Grandfather was a scholarship punter on Shug’s first Freshman team. On a punt return against Georgia, he blew out his right knee. Football was over. Shug took him aside, told him the following “You made a commitment to Auburn. Auburn made a commitment to you.” They worked to turn him into a coach. He got his degree in engineering. WW2 interrupted. War over
He is coaching High School in Birmingham. Shug is named Head Coach at Auburn. In the flurry of calls made….a call to Birmingham was made.
I am the new Head Coach at Auburn and I need help.
Granddad took recruiting and in less than 6 years, there was a National Championship Trophy on the shelf.
There is book titled “Saturdays to Remember” in the Preface, the story of the recruitment of Bobby Freemen is told. I sat with Shug and GrandDad.
They were down to two candidates. Granddad had recruited Vince Dooley. I felt there a loyalty to Vince. I was asked about Dye because I went to Wyoming ball games while Dye was there. Told my GrandDad, “If Dye can win at East Carolina and Wyoming, he can win anywhere.” At the time Wyoming looked like glorified High School ball.
Shug was very good friends with GrandDad.until the day Shug passed away.
He is coaching High School in Birmingham. Shug is named Head Coach at Auburn. In the flurry of calls made….a call to Birmingham was made.
I am the new Head Coach at Auburn and I need help.
Granddad took recruiting and in less than 6 years, there was a National Championship Trophy on the shelf.
There is book titled “Saturdays to Remember” in the Preface, the story of the recruitment of Bobby Freemen is told. I sat with Shug and GrandDad.
They were down to two candidates. Granddad had recruited Vince Dooley. I felt there a loyalty to Vince. I was asked about Dye because I went to Wyoming ball games while Dye was there. Told my GrandDad, “If Dye can win at East Carolina and Wyoming, he can win anywhere.” At the time Wyoming looked like glorified High School ball.
Shug was very good friends with GrandDad.until the day Shug passed away.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 9:47 am to bluedragon
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bluedragon
Good stuff. Thanks for sharing.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 9:50 am to slacker130
BlueDragon definitely has some good Auburn stories. I find them interesting.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 10:24 am to bluedragon
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Told my GrandDad, “If Dye can win at East Carolina and Wyoming, he can win anywhere.” At the time Wyoming looked like glorified High School ball.
Shug was very good friends with GrandDad.until the day Shug passed away.
I love hearing personal stories with connections. Very cool memories and stories to carry down to the next family generation
Posted on 10/23/25 at 11:55 am to FahQGump
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I remember the time before Alabama and Georgia went on these runs especially Georgia being no where near a top 3 school.
Georgia was always a sleeping giant though. For every NFL player that comes out of the state of Alabama, Georgia produces 2.6. And they don’t have any other in-state competition for that talent.
That’s just a fact that you have to reconcile if you want to live in reality. Auburn can absolutely compete with Georgia….. but it takes everything falling into place perfectly. Kirby can sleepwalk through a recruiting cycle and sign a Top 5 class. It’s just the reality now.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 12:01 pm to RoscoeSanCarlos
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Let’s not romanticize the Malzahn years. He caught lightning in a bottle his first year and had 2 regular season wins that earned him an absurd and unprecedented contract extension
You can’t square 2017 by this logic. Auburn beat the eventual national champs and the eventual national runners-up en route to an 10-2 regular season in which we won the SEC West.
That narrative also doesn’t square 2019 in which Auburn won the Iron Bowl and beat a Top 5 Oregon team.
To pretend the Malzahn success ended after Year 1 is just a lazy, inaccurate take.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 12:08 pm to AUTiger789
quote:Yes he can. We went 9-4. We also played 4 QBs in one game and coughed up the lead against LSU.
You can’t square 2017 by this logic. Auburn beat the eventual national champs and the eventual national runners-up en route to an 10-2 regular season in which we won the SEC West.
quote:Now you're talking about a five loss team with playoff caliber talent on defense. 5 loss teams are just average in mettle and grit. Nothing to brag about other than the Iron Bowl game which was nice for a change (of course relying on odd numbered years to make a mark also sucked.)
That narrative also doesn’t square 2019 in which Auburn won the Iron Bowl and beat a Top 5 Oregon team.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 12:20 pm to AUTiger789
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For every NFL player that comes out of the state of Alabama, Georgia produces 2.6. And they don’t have any other in-state competition for that talent.
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ut it takes everything falling into place perfectly. Kirby can sleepwalk through a recruiting cycle and sign a Top 5 class. It’s just the reality now.
Nope, Nope, Nope.
Just to look at the 2024 class, Kirby Smart signed 19 of 30 from out of state.
LOL "sleepwalks" .... He out works people and is smart about it... that is he has an offense and defense that perpares 4 and 5 stars for the NFL.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 12:44 pm to AUTiger789
quote:AU record vs FBS teams 2014-2020: 50-34 (.595)
To pretend the Malzahn success ended after Year 1 is just a lazy, inaccurate take.
averaged over a 12 game season against all FBS competition:
12 x .595 = 7.1 wins
Posted on 10/23/25 at 2:01 pm to FearlessFreep
Here's a great interview from Sumrall on TNR
Watch the first 15 minutes or so.
Sumrall is young, competitive, and willing to learn to grow.
Watch the first 15 minutes or so.
Sumrall is young, competitive, and willing to learn to grow.
This post was edited on 10/23/25 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 10/23/25 at 2:47 pm to AUTiger789
You must have forgotten about the “Whirly Bird” play. The comments were the same we’re hearing about Freeze. It was …and is a high school gimmick offense.
We should have moved on to strong coaching candidates and away from offensive gurus. We wouldn’t be in this mess if we had.
We should have moved on to strong coaching candidates and away from offensive gurus. We wouldn’t be in this mess if we had.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 3:07 pm to FearlessFreep
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averaged over a 12 game season against all FBS competition: 12 x .595 = 7.1 wins
Well no one in the SEC plays an “all FBS schedule” so that’s a twisted way to try to make the win total look less.
Gus averaged 8.3 wins per season 2014-2019. The 2020 season was a shortened year against only SEC competition, so that’s not quite fair to throw that into the mix without the context.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 3:18 pm to AUTiger789
quote:AU had no FCS teams on its 2023 schedule, so it does happen
Well no one in the SEC plays an “all FBS schedule”
but if you want to count them, fine
however if we’re throwing out the 2020 season, then you have to throw it out for everyone
which means Freezus is one more loss away from losing 5 or more games every season in the last decade
still want to keep him another year?
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