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Posted on 4/19/16 at 7:38 am to TigerPaw1
Posted on 4/19/16 at 7:38 am to TigerPaw1
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The fact that we are in year 4 of Gus's tenure and we are having to scramble to find a competent player at QB is pretty concerning. I am still on the Gus Bus but man it's frustrating to think in 4 years we couldn't develop a QB to take over for NM
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Posted on 4/19/16 at 7:49 am to TheJones
Is DV stuff short for domestic violence?
If so, pass.
If so, pass.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 7:56 am to higgs_boson
I remember that guy kicking our arse. If charges are dropped, maybe the girl made it up?
I'll take him. How can we not at this point?
I'll take him. How can we not at this point?
Posted on 4/19/16 at 9:05 am to TigerPaw1
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The fact that we are in year 4 of Gus's tenure and we are having to scramble to find a competent player at QB is pretty concerning. I am still on the Gus Bus but man it's frustrating to think in 4 years we couldn't develop a QB to take over for NM
Not sure how well this would play in locker room. You have 3 guys battling for spot then bring in a 4th in the fall to take the spot. But then again winning usually cures all so if Webb or Jenkins can win maybe the only people pissed would be our current terrible QBs
Grooming QB's isn't as easy as everyone one on here acts like it is...There is a reason LSU has struggled and UGA has underperformed. If you have a decent QB you got a shot ala MSU and Ole Miss the last couple of seasons, but without them you'll be looking at 6-6 and 7-5 type seasons if you over all talent is like Auburn and LSU. I wasn't impressed with what I saw at the A-day game, but it was obvious we didn't give JFIII much chance which the posi-barner in me hopes means we were hiding him.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 9:08 am to higgs_boson
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Is DV stuff short for domestic violence?
Yeah
Posted on 4/19/16 at 12:25 pm to TheJones
We have 26 other QBS, on our radar.
(There are 28 GT QBs we are looking at. )
(There are 28 GT QBs we are looking at. )
Posted on 4/19/16 at 12:30 pm to Tigerman97
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Grooming QB's isn't as easy as everyone one on here acts like it is
Sorry, man....I'm not letting Gus & Lashlee off that easy.
To have solid QB play, a coach needs to:
1) recruit well
2) understand the strengths of the QBs once on the team and mold offensive scheme accordingly
3) improve the QBs performance through skill development plus mental cheerleading, motivation, inspiration, etc.
Gus has definitely flunked on a few of these above especially identifying QB talent in high school (Kiehl Frazier) or mental development (JJ).
Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:58 pm to WildWillie
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Sorry, man....I'm not letting Gus & Lashlee off that easy.
To have solid QB play, a coach needs to:
1) recruit well
2) understand the strengths of the QBs once on the team and mold offensive scheme accordingly
3) improve the QBs performance through skill development plus mental cheerleading, motivation, inspiration, etc.
Gus has definitely flunked on a few of these above especially identifying QB talent in high school (Kiehl Frazier) or mental development (JJ).
By your own criteria you define it is difficult. If CSS had done those things he'd still be at USCe. Les wouldn't have almost gotten fired, Sumlin wouldn't be on the hot seat, etc...
This post was edited on 4/19/16 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 4/19/16 at 5:27 pm to AUtigR24
For being a QB focused system, Gus sure has struck out bad on the recruiting trail and having an eye for talent.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 8:31 am to Rhino5
quote:I don't know about Gustav not "having an eye for talent", based on the physical gifts of the guys he's signed over the years (Frazier, Zeke Pike, JJ). But it definitely says something about his inability to get them ready to compete.
Gus sure has struck out bad on the recruiting trail and having an eye for talent.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 8:38 am to FearlessFreep
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But it definitely says something about Gus & Rhett's inability to get them ready to compete.
Gus not bringing in a real QB coach is killing him. Rhett Lashlee only knows how to be a QB from Gus, who has never played QB and only been a QB coach for like 5 years total
Posted on 4/20/16 at 9:02 am to Tigerman97
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Grooming QB's isn't as easy as everyone one on here acts like it is...There is a reason LSU has struggled and UGA has underperformed. If you have a decent QB you got a shot ala MSU and Ole Miss the last couple of seasons, but without them you'll be looking at 6-6 and 7-5 type seasons if you over all talent is like Auburn and LSU. I wasn't impressed with what I saw at the A-day game, but it was obvious we didn't give JFIII much chance which the posi-barner in me hopes means we were hiding him.
Absolutely but that's his job. If you are going to hang your hat on offense then you better have guys in place to run your system. Last season I think he truly got burned in a way he didn't expect. He didn't show that bravado with JJ just cuz he absolutely thought he was going to be a big time player. Strike outs happen but you better be in position to have other serviceable pieces.
I think White or Franklin could be that but if we are looking for a grad transfer that tells me they don't think they are. I don't think we have the pieces nor the scheme for White to be a championship QB in this offense. Purely because I haven't seen Gus use a passing offense with much success when in the SEC. Todd & Trotter had some success but they didn't actually beat anybody meaningful. I do think if Franklin can hit open guys and run the read option we can be a championship team with him purely because I have seen that type of offense under Gus work. My main concern is that we are still shopping for QBs going into fall practice. That is not a great place to be...
With all that said I still think Gus can be successful. I refuse to believe that AU finally gets back to the national championship not once but twice with him on staff as a coincidence. He has a history of winning and that obsessive quality it seems all great football coaches have. I have no idea what this team is gonna look like this season. Neither finishing dead last in the SEC or winning it all would surprise me at this point
Posted on 4/20/16 at 10:00 am to Tigerman97
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Grooming QB's isn't as easy as everyone one on here acts like it is...
No, I'm sure it isn't, but a coach should be able to identify a QB that can run the most effective form of his offense. That's why they're paid millions. It seems Gus has let pride stand in the way by trying to prove he doesn't need a dual threat. He's been taking guys that aren't a proven commodity for success within his system.
Just take a look at Alabama for example. They've made NC runs with freaking Jake Coker and Blake Sims - both 1 year starters. Why? Because they identify the qualities in a QB that make their offense most successful and work within those parameters. They're consistent game managers that can make most of the throws and take few risks by not forcing throws, they're not superstars.
We all saw how effective Gus's offense is with the read-option sprinkled with some play action passing. Yet he's been recruiting like he wants a drop back passer, probably only for the sake of proving everyone wrong.
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 10:01 am
Posted on 4/20/16 at 10:03 am to GenesChin
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Gus not bringing in a real QB coach is killing him. Rhett Lashlee only knows how to be a QB from Gus, who has never played QB and only been a QB coach for like 5 years total
Agreed. Gus is going to let his boy get him fired. I feel like we're in the Tubs era again. Dead weight that needs to be gone, stays. Meanwhile good coaches that he should have fought to keep, are leaving left and right.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 11:09 am to TigerPaw1
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The fact that we are in year 4 of Gus's tenure and we are having to scramble to find a competent player at QB is pretty concerning. I am still on the Gus Bus but man it's frustrating to think in 4 years we couldn't develop a QB to take over for NM
Because having a bad period at the QB position is unknown in the annals of college football except at Auburn.
(EVERYBODY knew, coming into 2015, that Auburn was ready at the QB position. NOBODY knew, coming into 2015, that Jeremy Johnson was gonna be a limited-function retard on the field.)
Posted on 4/20/16 at 11:14 am to AUtigR24
Oh how I miss the days of "Malzahn could put me or you at QB and have a top 25 offense"
Posted on 4/20/16 at 12:20 pm to Ross
I hear ya.
Although Sean White and I are practically the same.
Except I am old, slow, cannot run and cannot throw.
I am 5'11, so I am taller. . .
Although Sean White and I are practically the same.
Except I am old, slow, cannot run and cannot throw.
I am 5'11, so I am taller. . .
Posted on 4/20/16 at 1:25 pm to beatbammer
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Because having a bad period at the QB position is unknown in the annals of college football except at Auburn.
Not sure where I said that
My point was it stinks in his 4th year we are scrambling looking for a QB. Just like every other time in AU history we have had QB troubles. Just because it has happened before doesn't mean it's any less frustrating. Not sure what you are getting at
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(EVERYBODY knew, coming into 2015, that Auburn was ready at the QB position. NOBODY knew, coming into 2015, that Jeremy Johnson was gonna be a limited-function retard on the field.)
My bigger point is if we are going to recruit a grad transfer that means that all the QBs Gus has signed after JJ are not considered up to par. THAT is what concerns me. If he doesn't think White, Franklin or Queen (injuries have played apart, not considering Barrett since he's a true freshman) are up to the task of being competitive then that means we have done a poor job evaluating/developing QB talent
I am hopeful however that all this turns into nonsense and someone that is on campus steps up and we find an offense again. I think if we adapt to White we could be successful or if Franklin takes care of the ball and hits open WRs and those WRs catch the ball. Lots of ifs but not out of the realm of possibilities
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 4/20/16 at 4:01 pm to TigerPaw1
I think the grad transfer talk has more to do with realizing this year has to work so stack the deck. The rules of CFB are slanted towards teams with a strong QB. Auburn circa 2010 and 2013...Clemson circa 2015, etc...Bama doesn't win because of their QB they win because they surround him with more NFL quality talent than any other team has by far.
Gus knows better than anyone 7-6 can be 12-1 with the right QB taking the snaps. Auburn likely plays for a national title last season with DW if we'd won that recruiting battle. Of course, so would 25 other teams as well.
Gus knows better than anyone 7-6 can be 12-1 with the right QB taking the snaps. Auburn likely plays for a national title last season with DW if we'd won that recruiting battle. Of course, so would 25 other teams as well.
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 4/21/16 at 9:42 am to jvilletiger25
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Dead weight that needs to be gone, stays. Meanwhile good coaches that he should have fought to keep, are leaving left and right.
Amen
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