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Posted on 10/19/24 at 8:46 pm to
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 10/19/24 at 8:46 pm to
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We have hit bottom.
That is the maddening thing. It does not even feel like rock bottom. These are very conflicting thoughts


On the field it seems we are at the bottom. We are looking at 3-9 as a very realistic possibility, it looks like our offense is no better than anything in Gus's worse offensive years, and we need to be firing this prick.



Off the field it seems we are on schedule building a program the way Hugh wants to build it. It seems the recruits are bought into this and the players are still playing hard.
Posted by wareaglepete
Union of Soviet Auburn Republics
Member since Dec 2012
17541 posts
Posted on 10/19/24 at 8:49 pm to
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Off the field it seems we are on schedule building a program the way Hugh wants to build it. It seems the recruits are bought into this and the players are still playing hard.


It seems. For now. Things will worsen. The team cannot be taking the loss today very well. I think we may look really bad at KY next week.

I’m seeing around the corners and I see nothing but despair.
Posted by jvilletiger25
jacksonville, fl
Member since Jan 2014
20482 posts
Posted on 10/19/24 at 8:51 pm to
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First Robby Ashford and now Thorne.

Ashford beat Mizzou…
Posted by The_SwAUggford
Member since Jan 2013
4027 posts
Posted on 10/19/24 at 8:57 pm to
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I just dont believe that the offense has been good all year. I cant believe that when you are turning the ball over every other time you have it
that's independent of the gameplan and the play calls. It just is. It's up to Payton to not turn the ball over and I promise you he's being coached not to. It's ignorant to think he's not.

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Yea you can hit a few big plays against cupcakes but not controling the ball is bad offense.
We were hitting chunk plays against everybody. The ball control conversation is incredibly nuanced and nowhere near binary. I like ball control offenses, they're good, but teams lose the top battle and win the game all the time.

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I have never personally liked Hugh. He is just one of those slimy fake christian dudes that I dont care for. He made is very easy for me to dislike him more when he showed that he cant coach on gameday


Exactly it's personal, and you're looking for shite to hate and this season is a confirmation bias seafood buffet for you.

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Has nothing to do with you. Its just your constant opinion that more talent is going to make Hugh a better coach. It isnt.
Sure helped Kirby and saban. Every coach gets accused of not being a good gameday coach bc football is fricking hard and the elites aren't perfect.

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Our 5*, best ever receiver is lazy and only shows up 1 play out of 20. That is coaching.
Making the same mistake twice is a bad look no doubt. Marcus Davis might not be up to snuff. Unfortunately if we keep the same gameplan from today going forward we prob won't get to see if they're getting anything together.
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Someone said it pretty good earlier. WE are TAM with Jimbo, 2.0. Except I honestly think Jimbo was a better game day coach

way too early to say this. The big class ain't even on campus yet.
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
69704 posts
Posted on 10/19/24 at 9:03 pm to
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Sure helped Kirby and saban. Every coach gets accused of not being a good gameday coach bc football is fricking hard and the elites aren't perfect.





Neither of these two are even remotely comparable to what we are seeing. But you're not gonna see it so it's kind of a moot point to even discuss it.



Posted by The_SwAUggford
Member since Jan 2013
4027 posts
Posted on 10/19/24 at 9:10 pm to
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I just cant understand this thought process
i cant understand how yall can't fathom that cal, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and this game are all dubs if we have a legitimate qb that Hugh can trust. It's not hard to see. And we weren't waaaayyyyy more talented than any of those teams.

Idk how nmsu and last years iron bowl made the offense turn the ball over and PT crumble under pressure.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50465 posts
Posted on 10/19/24 at 9:12 pm to
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Exactly it's personal, and you're looking for shite to hate and this season is a confirmation bias seafood buffet for you.
Got a giggle out of me
Posted by The_SwAUggford
Member since Jan 2013
4027 posts
Posted on 10/19/24 at 9:12 pm to
His scheme on offense and durkins on defense combined with talent is plenty enough to compete. It's not even hard to see.
Posted by wareaglepete
Union of Soviet Auburn Republics
Member since Dec 2012
17541 posts
Posted on 10/19/24 at 9:13 pm to
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Sure helped Kirby and saban. Every coach gets accused of not being a good gameday coach bc football is fricking hard and the elites aren't perfect.


Holy crap, are you Hugh’s brother in law or something.

Facts:

Saban
Year 1: 7-6
Year 2: 12-2 SECCG appearance

Kirby
Year 1: 8-5
Year 2: 13-2 Won SECCG

Keep defending and making excuses for a loser.
Posted by The_SwAUggford
Member since Jan 2013
4027 posts
Posted on 10/19/24 at 9:18 pm to
Talent is a major part of the equation. Scheme is another. If the class stays together we'll have both. Does he have that intangible ingredient Kirby and saban did? Idk. But this season DOES NOT prove that he doesn't in anyway. Only thing that has been proven is trying to compete with PT was a mistake. We needed a portal quarterback. He'll have a chance to redeem himself on that this offseason.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50465 posts
Posted on 10/19/24 at 9:19 pm to
Saban and Kirby either inherited rosters with way more talent than we had or they entered into a different era. Rolando McClain committed to Shula . Even when they were nothing, they still had something on the field. They had a 5* OT in Andre Smith. Bama is generally a high floor program. The SEC also had zero parity then.

Georgia has had talent on the field since I was 11 years old, so 24 years ago.
Posted by wareaglepete
Union of Soviet Auburn Republics
Member since Dec 2012
17541 posts
Posted on 10/19/24 at 9:22 pm to
Excuses for days. We reap what we sow.

We at the bottom boys. Enjoy!

Improvement is improvement.
This post was edited on 10/19/24 at 9:24 pm
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50465 posts
Posted on 10/19/24 at 9:25 pm to
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We needed a portal quarterback. He'll have a chance to redeem himself on that this offseason.
My question is does Hugh attract a top QB knowing Hugh's necessitation to RPO the offense. I dont think so. The RPO is a very difficult ask to a QB and Hugh lives by it and throws his QBs under the bus when the QB errors. A QB has to be aware of a lot and then has to be able to make lightning-quick reads.

Secondly, can a first year QB give Hugh enough a splash to make Freeze breathe easier.
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
69704 posts
Posted on 10/19/24 at 9:27 pm to
Saban inherited a roster that had been on probation for six years with limited scholarships. That's BS


And neither of them remotely went 2-5 in the second season. Regardless of the talent.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
14301 posts
Posted on 10/19/24 at 9:29 pm to
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I like and agree with most of your posts dude but I dont here. There is no, 4 year rebuilds in college football these days. And there shouldnt be with the portal and transfer system. A program like Auburn that has the resources we have should be way better in year 2 than we are right now.

More years and more talent is not going to get us there with this staff

NIL and the transfer portal rules are still in it's infancy. If a QB is looking to transfer in the NIL era, he's either unproven or underpaid. Meanwhile, if a guy that is worth a damn, is targeted, you can bet your arse that other schools want him too. Just because the portal exists now, doesn't mean we can just go out and grab the next Cam Newton.

Here's the reality. Freeze walked into a program that was decimated in terms of OVERALL talent. His recruits on the team, are all true freshmen. He's righted the recruiting ship, but it's going to take some time to show those results. Think about it... our starting QB is a transfer. Our next best guy was not offered by anyone of consequence. Our LT probably wouldn't start on any other SEC team, and he is apparently the best we've got. Our secondary is fricking atrocious. Young talent that hasn't adjusted to the speed of the game, sprinkled in with guys that wouldn't sniff the field on any other SEC team.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50465 posts
Posted on 10/19/24 at 9:31 pm to
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Saban inherited a roster that had been on probation for six years with limited scholarships. That's BS

Well, they still had 5* OT Andre Smith. What did we have? Shula had Rolando McClain committed. Their defenses then were always good with Joe Kines.. They were positioned so well that they nearly got Tebow. I might scan their roster to suggest those rosters were more wholesome than what we got now.


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And neither of them remotely went 2-5 in the second season. Regardless of the talent
You dont get to say regardless of talent when that is literally my argument. That is like sticking your head under the sand.
This post was edited on 10/19/24 at 9:34 pm
Posted by The_SwAUggford
Member since Jan 2013
4027 posts
Posted on 10/19/24 at 9:55 pm to
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A QB has to be aware of a lot and then has to be able to make lightning-quick reads


That's kinda their whole thing lol. You're overthinking it.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50465 posts
Posted on 10/19/24 at 10:00 pm to
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That's kinda their whole thing lol. You're overthinking it.

Maybe, but the RPO will continue to produce turnovers in big numbers.
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4428 posts
Posted on 10/19/24 at 10:08 pm to
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You dont get to say regardless of talent when that is literally my argument. That is like sticking your head under the sand.



We are 2-5 and only one of those losses was due to talent (UGA).

We had both OU and Missouri beat but flat out blew it. OU is trash and that trash QB they ran out against us got his arse benched today. They were NOT "more talented". Same exact case for Missouri. The game was won and Brady Cook didn't even play well, on top of being out for half the game. We blew it again.

So your talent argument is pointless. Cal does not have "more talent" than us. Even that dipshit at FSU beat Cal.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50465 posts
Posted on 10/19/24 at 10:11 pm to
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We are 2-5 and only one of those losses was due to talent (UGA).

We had both OU and Missouri beat but flat out blew it. OU is trash and that trash QB they ran out against us got his arse benched today. They were NOT "more talented". Same exact case for Missouri. The game was won and Brady Cook didn't even play well, on top of being out for half the game. We blew it again.

So your talent argument is pointless. Cal does not have "more talent" than us. Even that dipshit at FSU beat Cal.


You responded to a conversation comparing Auburn's talent when Hugh was hired to the talent Saban and Kirby inherited. So....
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