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Posted on 3/25/18 at 4:25 pm to TigerProwl24
Posted on 3/25/18 at 4:25 pm to TigerProwl24
Brown should come off the bench for sure. Should help him a lot. What an insane bench. Come on, Wiley.
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Posted on 3/25/18 at 4:28 pm to jsmoove
No way brown comes off the bench... he was a legit sec POY candidate before the shoulder injury.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 4:40 pm to jsmoove
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Brown should come off the bench for sure.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 4:54 pm to Rig
I like your take.. but i think Purifoy played the 4 more out of necessity previously and with Okeke,Spencer,McLemore,Murray, we have plenty of frontcourt options.
Think about this lineup..
Harper
Heron
Purifoy
Okeke
Wiley
With Mitchell, Brown, Doughty, McLemore and Spencer off the bench.
What kind of playing time will Desean Murray get next year? I could see him starting and getting a lot less minutes.
Think about this lineup..
Harper
Heron
Purifoy
Okeke
Wiley
With Mitchell, Brown, Doughty, McLemore and Spencer off the bench.
What kind of playing time will Desean Murray get next year? I could see him starting and getting a lot less minutes.
This post was edited on 3/25/18 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 3/25/18 at 5:00 pm to TigerProwl24
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Think about this lineup..
Harper
Heron
Purifoy
Okeke
Wiley
With Mitchell, Brown, Doughty, McLemore and Spencer off the bench.
We can only hope. That lineup with our crowd will be amazing.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 5:04 pm to Rig
It takes Brown some shots a lot of the time to get into a rhythm. Not saying it would happen at the start of the season, but if everyone comes back, it might/should later on. And it's not going to be anything like this season's team anyway. If Brown gels with that team's rotation as a starter, fine. But he makes dumb decisions on defense, doesn't rebound, and watches a lot of missed shots while opponents go into fast break mode. It frustrates and confuses his team. If he's in one of his endless freshman/sophomore shooting slumps like at the end of this season, he's a bench player.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 7:25 pm to Rig
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No way brown comes off the bench
Bryce would likely put up similar if not more pts off the bench/playing w 2nd team. Similar to Been Gordon's rookie year in CHI, Bryce's usage rate would increase significantly playing with low usage player lineuos like Mitchell/Okeke/McLemore
We need to get Mustapha and Brown in different lineups. Mustapha is a black hole who is high usage and doesn't pass, which isn't a good mix w a 3FG shooter
Also, we need 3FG shooting on the 2nd team. Our conf play 3FG% leader McLemore can't carry the shooting load by himself
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Also think Okeke could win that 4 spot. But think it's more likely to McLemore or Purifoy
I don't see McLemore playing the 4 this year for us. Just focusing on him, he is more valuable defensively at the 5 + his offensive skillset matches the 5 much better and gives us a 3FG 5man
The bigger deal though will be that Austin Wiley is likely to avg only ~20 minutes per game. At our pace and his size, no reason for more. For reference Isaac Haas avg ~20mpg for Purdue at a slower pace
Unless Okeke/Spencer bulk up some, McLemore is the clear guy to get the remaining 20min
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Also think Okeke could win that 4 spot.
I'd also keep an eye out on Horace getting minutes at the 4. He has worked hard on developing a shot + he has shown flashes of slashing from the arc. He also would be the best defender we could out out at the 4.
Horace played it last year and was a 3FG threat away from looking decent. If he can hit open 3FG, he won't be terrible
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3 Heron/Doughty
One if these 2 will be getting significant minutes at the 2 not the 3.
This post was edited on 3/25/18 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 3/25/18 at 7:42 pm to GenesChin
I'd point out that Hooks who has more insight than me obviously agrees McLemore would go to 4 before Spencer.. but he doubts it
Also I'd point out that Purifoy is a 3. He may get some stretch 4 minutes, but unless a complete reversal happens he is playing the 3
I would think a realistic 1/2 team lineups would be
Harper
Brown/Heron
Heron/Purifoy
Murray/Okeke
Wiley
Mitchell/Doughty
Doughty
Purifoy
Okeke/Purifoy
McLemore
Dunbar/Spencer get utility minutes. Hopefully Dunbar RS
Minutes breakdown guess
Harper 25
Mitchell 10
Brown 25
Doughty 20
Heron 25
Purifoy 20
Murray 15-20
Okeke 15-20
Wiley 20
McLemore 15
Spencer 5
Also I'd point out that Purifoy is a 3. He may get some stretch 4 minutes, but unless a complete reversal happens he is playing the 3
I would think a realistic 1/2 team lineups would be
Harper
Brown/Heron
Heron/Purifoy
Murray/Okeke
Wiley
Mitchell/Doughty
Doughty
Purifoy
Okeke/Purifoy
McLemore
Dunbar/Spencer get utility minutes. Hopefully Dunbar RS
Minutes breakdown guess
Harper 25
Mitchell 10
Brown 25
Doughty 20
Heron 25
Purifoy 20
Murray 15-20
Okeke 15-20
Wiley 20
McLemore 15
Spencer 5
This post was edited on 3/25/18 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 3/26/18 at 12:05 am to GenesChin
I totally agree with your sentiments on Brown and Heron
McLemore averaged O.7 made 3FGs a game, appearing in 21 games. Okeke and McLemore led the team with 39.1% 3FG, but Okeke attempted and made more per game.
Yes, and my heart fluttered each time. You knew it was going to be either awesome or cringe worthy. Lol
quote:It is a nice stat but let's not get carried away. Although he led our team in 3FG% during SEC play, he did it on far less attempts than at least five other players.
Our conf play 3FG% leader McLemore can't carry the shooting load by himself
McLemore averaged O.7 made 3FGs a game, appearing in 21 games. Okeke and McLemore led the team with 39.1% 3FG, but Okeke attempted and made more per game.
quote:Why? With Okeke, Murray, Purifoy and McLemore, we have better options at the 4.
I'd also keep an eye out on Horace getting minutes at the 4.
quote:His mid-range shot development has started to come along but he isn't ready to start jacking up threes by any means and we don't need him to.
He has worked hard on developing a shot
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he has shown flashes of slashing from the arc.
Yes, and my heart fluttered each time. You knew it was going to be either awesome or cringe worthy. Lol
quote:Spencer needs to work on being a better post player, not expanding his current role. During the NCAAT, in the 1st half of the CoC game alone, he left 12 points off the board from simply not finishing great looks in the paint.
Horace played it last year and was a 3FG threat away from looking decent. If he can hit open 3FG, he won't be terrible
This post was edited on 3/26/18 at 12:44 am
Posted on 3/26/18 at 12:27 am to GenesChin
Harper 20-25
Purifoy 20-25
Heron 20-25
Brown 20-25
Wiley 20-25
Okeke 20-25
Doughty 20-25
Murray 15-20
Mitchell 15-20
McLemore 15-20
Spencer 10-15
Dunbar ???
Purifoy 20-25
Heron 20-25
Brown 20-25
Wiley 20-25
Okeke 20-25
Doughty 20-25
Murray 15-20
Mitchell 15-20
McLemore 15-20
Spencer 10-15
Dunbar ???
This post was edited on 3/26/18 at 12:46 am
Posted on 3/26/18 at 6:53 am to TigerProwl24
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It is a nice stat but let's not get carried away. Although he led our team in 3FG% during SEC play, he did it on far less attempts than at least five other players.
It was a joke that was meant to hammer home that our second team is a very limited 3FG shooting lineup
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Why? With Okeke, Murray, Purifoy and McLemore, we have better options at the 4.
Not sure why people think McLemore is an option at the 4, he doesn't have the skillset and is a 5
Similarly Purifoy is a 3, got moved to the 3 for a reason. He may get some crossover but most of his minutes will be at the 3
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His mid-range shot development has started to come along but he isn't ready to start jacking up threes by any means
Not today, but if he can make a similar development jump this year he will be a more than capable open 3FG shooter, which is all we'd need
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Yes, and my heart fluttered each time. You knew it was going to be either awesome or cringe worthy. Lol
The fact that he even is capable of "awesome" means he has the potential slashing to the rim. I mean, I've seen him successfully Eurostep on a drive twice
I'll admit, he may be too far into his AU career to develop that game though.
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During the NCAAT, in the 1st half of the CoC game alon
Pretty unfair to focus on one specific bad game, a game everyone on the team played like shite in
In all other games since McLemores injury Spencer is 54%FG, 85%FT, 2apg <1 TO/gm
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Spencer needs to work on being a better post player
Don't see why he can't do both
He got better back to the basket this year along with improving his shot.
I'm not asking him to be Kevin Durant, just to be capable of hitting a wide open 3 + drive against off balanced defender
Posted on 3/26/18 at 7:00 am to TigerProwl24
Also your minutes list only works is everyone plays their minimum except one guy
Posted on 3/26/18 at 8:02 am to GenesChin
I'm not getting the love for McLemore at the 4 either. He's a very athletic 5 that protects the rim and can knock down an open three, but he's a below average in athleticism at the 4 and won't get the same open shots that he would at the 5.
Posted on 3/26/18 at 8:45 am to AA7
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but he's a below average in athleticism at the 4
I wouldn't say he is below athleticism as much as he doesn't have thee skillset we are looking for in the stretch 4. It's also unknown how he'd hold up defending on the perimeter against stretch 4s
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5 that protects the rim
It's like everyone is thinking
"McLemore's best attribute is shot blocking, so let's move him as far away as possible from the rim instead of letting him rim protect"
Posted on 3/26/18 at 8:50 am to GenesChin
I think my ideal lineup would be this
Harper
Heron
Purifoy
Okeke
Wiley/Mclemore
I love Brown, but he is just too streaky and becomes a liability when he is off. If he could be the 6 man and come in with his defensive energy he plays with when he is shooting well, that would be ideal.
Harper
Heron
Purifoy
Okeke
Wiley/Mclemore
I love Brown, but he is just too streaky and becomes a liability when he is off. If he could be the 6 man and come in with his defensive energy he plays with when he is shooting well, that would be ideal.
This post was edited on 3/26/18 at 8:51 am
Posted on 3/26/18 at 9:53 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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I love Brown, but he is just too streaky and becomes a liability when he is off.
I'd take Brown's streaky over Mustapha's more consistent poor ball hog performances
The amount of free passes our fanbase gives Mustapha is absolutely absurd. He may be extremely talented, he may have rare games where he helps us win, but is far from the star that some people think he is.
It wasn't surprising he got left off the All SEC teams. He has SEC POY potential but he plays Mustapha vs the World on offense + rarely shows consistency
Over the final 9 games Mustapha....
- 36.4% FG 39/107
- 31.25% 3FG 10-32
- 38.67% 2FG 29-75
- Shot >40% FG in only 1 game
- ~1.7 TO per game
- <1 assist per game
Bryce Brown was playing on a sprained shoulder + foot injury, what is Mustapha's excuse?
I really like Mustapha in interviews, he clearly works hard and wants to get better. I am rooting for him, but he has a long way to go for him to be the player he thinks he can be
This post was edited on 3/26/18 at 10:00 am
Posted on 3/26/18 at 9:54 am to GenesChin
I'll take Mustapha's rebounding and everything else over Brown standing around when he is off
Posted on 3/26/18 at 9:58 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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I'll take Mustapha's rebounding and everything else over Brown standing around when he is off
Mustapha is rebounding from the 3 position, which has rebounding responsibilities. The 2s get out in transition or get back for transition defense
If Mustapha moved to the 2, he'd be rebounding a lot less
Posted on 3/26/18 at 10:19 am to GenesChin
Purifoy specifically tweeted last month that people forget that he was playing out of position last year. Doubt he plays the 4 unless under absolute necessity.
Posted on 3/26/18 at 10:26 am to jangalang
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Purifoy specifically tweeted last month that people forget that he was playing out of position last year. Doubt he plays the 4 unless under absolute necessity.
Ya, I mean just look at the things people seem to forget
-Purifoy was moved to 3 before ruled ineligible
-McLemore moved from 4 to 5 in 16-17 because it better fit his skillset
-Spencer, not McLemore, moved from 5 to 4 in 16-17 after Purifoy injury
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