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Posted on 1/16/21 at 4:11 pm to metafour
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Is the issue that it's bad to be the team that DISCOVERS a young coach? But it's good if some other school discovers them, and then you hire them away?
The issue could be hiring coaches from programs that have been bad. That doesn’t give you the warm and fuzzies. It didn’t bother me at all hiring Harsin from a smaller school, because he was kicking arse there.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 4:35 pm to jvilletiger25
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The issue could be hiring coaches from programs that have been bad. That doesn’t give you the warm and fuzzies. It didn’t bother me at all hiring Harsin from a smaller school, because he was kicking arse there.
What does that even mean? These guys are position coaches, responsible for one position group of the team, not the overall success or failure of the team as a whole. The South Carolina guys were literally only there for one season - at the tail end of Muschamp's tenure when it was obvious that he wasn't going to do much winning.
Troy's Passing Offense (Yards per Game):
2020: 22nd
2019: 7th
You listed Jeff Grimes as a "splash hire" when he was brought on by Chizik, which he actually kinda was. However, apply your OWN logic now. We got Grimes from Colorado where he had spent two seasons as the AHC and OL coach:
2007: 6-7
2008: 5-7
So was he a good coach or not?
Posted on 1/16/21 at 4:51 pm to jt33
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I said this is not the hire you make if you're trying to jump into the elite territory. Fact is Kodi Burns had a better resume before Gus hired him and most think that hire shouldn't have been made
Kodi had a better resume? Uhhh...no. He had 1 year at Samford as a WR coach before Gus hired him. All the other places he was a GA or RB coach.
C Williams has about 9 years as a WR coach at Troy, UAB, and 1 other college.
So Williams has a larger resume and imo learned more to become a WR coach than Kodi did basically all his time under Gus’ offense.
I am just willing to see how his WRs look under Harsin’s offense.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 5:03 pm to jvilletiger25
quote:I was excited when Chiz hired Gustav, because I thought he'd done a great job in a terrible situation at Arky.
Trooper, Luper, Grimes, Rocker, and yes Gus was the hottest OC in the country at that time (don’t tell Lanier).
I was happy (not excited) we hired Rocker because he was one of my favorite AU players from the Dye era. His resume was decent but not outstanding.
None of the other coaches were exciting, because I hadn't heard of any of them.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 9:13 pm to AUEE13
I just saw where the Boise St receiver coach Matt Miller announced today that he was remaining at Boise. I'm assuming Harsin had offered him and was waiting on his decision before hiring Cornelius Williams. That said I'm glad he declined and we got Williams. I'm just a fan and that's purely my assumption but after reading where he had announced he was staying at Boise I'm sure that was probably the case.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 9:22 pm to AA7
quote:I gave Trooper $$ and 117 iphone shots of Utah State's last scrimmage in 2011. And we still almost lost. Barning hard.
Most were pumped about Trooper and Luper because of their recruiting prowess.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 9:22 pm to Tiger trace22
Matt Miller to Remain at Boise will continue to oversee Wide Receivers is the announcement by Boise St Football
Posted on 1/16/21 at 9:32 pm to Tiger trace22
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just saw where the Boise St receiver coach Matt Miller announced today that he was remaining at Boise. I'm assuming Harsin had offered him and was waiting on his decision before hiring Cornelius Williams.
Why would you assume that
Posted on 1/16/21 at 9:39 pm to blzr
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just saw where the Boise St receiver coach Matt Miller announced today that he was remaining at Boise. I'm assuming Harsin had offered him and was waiting on his decision before hiring Cornelius Williams.
Why would you assume that
The speculation on assistant coaching hires is strange. I don't know many of these hires but I'm going to assume that Harsin wants to be at AU, and be successful and get a second contract. So, I'm going to assume the WR coach we just hired is the best in the business. Why not? What does it matter?
This post was edited on 1/16/21 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 1/16/21 at 9:41 pm to auburn2eugene
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Cornelius is a great fit for the staff we are assembling," Harsin said. "He's a strong teacher of the game on the field and has been developing recruiting ties in Alabama, Georgia and Mississippi during his time at Troy. As a Birmingham native, and his state of Alabama roots, he understands what Auburn football is all about and the type of player and high character individuals we want bring in and develop.
I get that not everyone is pumped about not making a splash hire, but isn't this what everyone was saying Harsin needed when he was hired? Some people with ties to the staff and the high schools?
And he isn't the only one that fills that role.
This post was edited on 1/16/21 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 1/16/21 at 9:56 pm to IAmNERD
quote:No, it was Jimmy Johnson as WR coach or bust.
I get that not everyone is pumped about not making a splash hire, but isn't this what everyone was saying Harsin needed when he was hired? Some people with ties to the staff and the high schools?
And he isn't the only one that fills that role.
I live in SLC and I'm certainly no expert. But the one thing I've read in both the SLC and Boise papers is how fixated Harsin is on process. He wants to emulate Saban, which might make me a outcast for saying so, but there it is. Get good players, keep them in the program and develop them. Rise, wash, repeat. If he fails its because he doesn't evaluate players very well, because he can recruit at Auburn..
Posted on 1/16/21 at 10:26 pm to alpinetiger
Are you referring to the Jimmy Johnson that's a receivers coach in the NFL? If so what's the connection?
Posted on 1/16/21 at 10:37 pm to Tiger trace22
I know there's a Jimmy Johnson that coaches tight ends for the Jets. Maybe you was being sarcastic about the former Cowboys coach. Idk? Just asking
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:16 pm to Tiger trace22
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Are you referring to the Jimmy Johnson that's a receivers coach in the NFL? If so what's the connection?
The connection is Bill Clark once turned down Fox, who wanted him to replace Jimmy, to stay at Prattville high school
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:20 pm to Sput
Smart arse. There is a position coach in the NFL named Jimmy Johnson.
Posted on 1/17/21 at 12:20 am to jt33
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I've been critical of 2 hires so far
Yeah, you've been soooooo uncritical of this staff so far you had to pretend-ask about some implied deadline.
Posted on 1/17/21 at 1:03 am to Tiger trace22
quote:Yes, apologies. Too old of a reference. I was referring to the Miami/Cowboys head coach.
Are you referring to the Jimmy Johnson that's a receivers coach in the NFL? If so what's the connection?
Posted on 1/17/21 at 7:43 am to IAmNERD
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I get that not everyone is pumped about not making a splash hire, but isn't this what everyone was saying Harsin needed when he was hired? Some people with ties to the staff and the high schools?
And he isn't the only one that fills that role.
Yes. My number 1 concern was the recruiting pipeline. I knew it would get handled but not sure how much. I've been pleased with the names for the most part.
Posted on 1/17/21 at 8:27 am to HailToTheChiz
At the end of the day, you want a head coach who can head coach. I'm optimistic we've got that. As another poster said, Harsin will live and die by these choices, so it's tough for me to take a strong position on most of these hires and other decisions, simply because we have less than 1% of the information necessary to do so.
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