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re: Rumored/Hired Assistant Coaches (Rocker Out, Eason In)

Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:30 am to
Posted by AuSteeler
montgomery. AL
Member since Jan 2015
2989 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:30 am to
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A couple of questionable hires by BH, but he will live and die by them. I just can't believe other names like Craig, McClendon, and Moorehead were mentioned then they go out and get Troy's version of Kodi.



First, how do you know that Harsin didn't offer those names you mentioned? Maybe they turned him down for various reasons.

How do we know if this is a bad hire? DO we know in football circles how good of a WR coach CW is? maybe he's gotten great creds from Harsin has talked to?

If the offense can put up great numbers, and our schemes are schemes we dreamed about we wished we had had under Gus, then I'm going to nto worry too much about a WR coach. :)
Posted by AUcs13
Pensacola
Member since Jul 2011
3098 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:31 am to
Yeah I totally forgot about TM. I like Harsin, he's a winner but this staff isn't competing with Alabama or Georgia right now. I think he got turned down by quite a few DL coaches, WR coaches, and DB coaches.
Posted by jt33
Member since Aug 2017
5523 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:39 am to
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Yeah I totally forgot about TM. I like Harsin, he's a winner but this staff isn't competing with Alabama or Georgia right now. I think he got turned down by quite a few DL coaches, WR coaches, and DB coaches.
You're not allowed to say that. We got rid of Gus, only sunshine allowed right now.
Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
38799 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:42 am to
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So I'm just curious.. are we still in the sunshine grace period where we're not allowed to be critical of hires?


Why? That doesn't seem to have stopped you yet...
Posted by bawbarn
Member since Jul 2012
4008 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:46 am to
Question for the Cwill hate crowd. Where was Travis Williams when Auburn hired him?
Posted by jt33
Member since Aug 2017
5523 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:47 am to
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Why? That doesn't seem to have stopped you yet...
I've been critical of 2 hires so far. I've also really liked some of the other hires. Sorry for having an original thought and opinion and not just agreeing to agree.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
45264 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:51 am to
Did he? This staff seems like a great mix of coaches and recruiters. I like the mix of new blood with SEC experience. Hars has had consistent success at managing a program. I will give him a few seasons before critiquing him heavily. I gave Gus 5 years before I started complaining about his performance.
Posted by jt33
Member since Aug 2017
5523 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:52 am to
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Question for the Cwill hate crowd. Where was Travis Williams when Auburn hired him?
Thats fair. My argument is that we fired Gus because 8 wins wasn't enough and we wanted to make a push to be elite. This is not the hire you make for a push like that. We should be hiring someone with more experience and with a better resume.. Could he work out? Yes, but is this the best hire that could have been made? I don't think so.
Posted by AuSteeler
montgomery. AL
Member since Jan 2015
2989 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 11:56 am to
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Yeah I totally forgot about TM. I like Harsin, he's a winner but this staff isn't competing with Alabama or Georgia right now. I think he got turned down by quite a few DL coaches, WR coaches, and DB coaches.



that's totally possible.

Harsin may have been stuck dealing with a salary cap for some of his positions. TMartin based on his experience would have come from a very high price I think. Some of the others too.

Who knows....We will see how they now work together on recruiting, and eventually results...
Posted by Rig
BHM
Member since Aug 2011
41869 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:02 pm to
Are we acting like Tee Martin isn’t possibly under investigation?
Posted by TheJones
Member since Nov 2009
34594 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:03 pm to
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Why? That doesn't seem to have stopped you yet...


Dude really wants some attention on his takes with some of these posts
Posted by jt33
Member since Aug 2017
5523 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:08 pm to
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Dude really wants some attention on his takes with some of these posts
So in your opinion this is the best hire we could have made? Again, never said he wasn't a good coach. I said this is not the hire you make if you're trying to jump into the elite territory. Fact is Kodi Burns had a better resume before Gus hired him and most think that hire shouldn't have been made.. Why is this any different?
Posted by TheJones
Member since Nov 2009
34594 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:11 pm to
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You're not allowed to say that. We got rid of Gus, only sunshine allowed right now.


You either don’t believe this or you have some selective memory because about half of the posters in this thread have been down on most of these hires. Pretty sure Morgan is the only one getting a strong amount fanfare here.

I’m a pretty positive guy but even I have cast some doubt on some of these guys. Friend and Rocker in particular.

By all means, please act persecuted because people disagreed with you on Bobo but don’t do this whole thing where the board is out to get dissenting opinions
Posted by tilco
Spanish Fort, AL
Member since Nov 2013
14381 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:12 pm to
I remember when Ross got hurt and he had to play QB
Posted by jt33
Member since Aug 2017
5523 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:15 pm to
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You either don’t believe this or you have some selective memory because about half of the posters in this thread have been down on most of these hires. Pretty sure Morgan is the only one getting a strong amount fanfare here.

I’m a pretty positive guy but even I have cast some doubt on some of these guys. Friend and Rocker in particular.

By all means, please act persecuted because people disagreed with you on Bobo but don’t do this whole thing where the board is out to get dissenting opinions
No, you're right about most of this. In truth most of the extreme optimism is coming from posters on 247 who just keep saying "love this staff, great hire, love the championship staff we're hiring, home run hire".. I should have left that there instead of on this board where its been more balanced.
Posted by Etowah
Alabama
Member since Oct 2016
386 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:18 pm to
Outside of recruiting, I don't understand the hype for Dameyune Craig. It's not like we were superb at the wide receiver position with him.
Posted by toothNclaw
Bi-Polar Barner
Member since Dec 2014
164 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:22 pm to
GA’s are for technique and route running. WR coaches are for Recruiting.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
45264 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:26 pm to
Why not both? I wasn't high on Craig or Tee. I also don't understand the Friend hate. Dude is a dynamic recruiter. UT is a disaster. I give him credit for understanding the situation and leaving. His line was trying to protect JG at QB.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
108587 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:42 pm to
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Are we acting like Tee Martin isn’t possibly under investigation?






Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4595 posts
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:49 pm to
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Thats fair. My argument is that we fired Gus because 8 wins wasn't enough and we wanted to make a push to be elite. This is not the hire you make for a push like that. We should be hiring someone with more experience and with a better resume.. Could he work out? Yes, but is this the best hire that could have been made? I don't think so.



Wrong. Every staff should be a combination of veterans and young guys with fire. All of these top programs have young coaches on their staff with "limited experience" - very often they end up being the most dynamic recruiters because they can best relate to 18 year old kids.

The funny thing here is that almost all of these "elite recruiters" that we should be hiring literally BECAME elite recruiters as young upstarts with little to no "track record". Do you guys know where Demeyune Craig was pulled from by Jimbo Fischer? South Alabama. Before that he had been at Tuskegee. T-Will was literally pulled from HS when he came on as a defensive analyst and then promoted to LB coach at Auburn. Neither of those two guys had any resume whatsoever to suggest that they should be at FSU or Auburn. Travaris Robinson was more or less the same thing, having come to Florida after just one season at Texas Tech (before that he was at schools like Western Kentucky and Southern Miss). He only got the Florida job because he was a GA under Muschamp at Auburn, and he recognized his ability then.

Go look at Glenn Schumann (Co-DC, ILB) at Georgia and his recruiting record (its sickening). He came with Kirby from Alabama where he wasn't even an on-field coach EVER. He was a GA and then "director of player development" for two seasons prior to being handed a coaching job at a top-tier SEC school. Their WR coach also came from Vandy, with nothing significant prior to that.

There is no reason to believe that Cornelius Williams wasn't hired because he fits the same mold of a YOUNG coach with elite upside who will take off once he's repping a top program. This isn't a 45-50 year old coach from Troy who's career has capped in which case it would be a very concerning hire; he actually only graduated in 2010 which means that he's what? 32/33? The fact that he has been offered this job means that he has been identified as a high upside hire. They could have easily hired someone like Darrell Wyatt, and didn't. That means that they like this kid a LOT.
This post was edited on 1/16/21 at 12:52 pm
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