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re: One of the reasons I liked Curt instead of Freeze
Posted on 10/17/24 at 12:42 pm to slacker130
Posted on 10/17/24 at 12:42 pm to slacker130
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I didn't realize that the rebuild would require us to lose to teams that are less talented, at home.
Hopefully, that step in the rebuild process is complete.
Bro.. our upperclassmen SUCK.
A rebuild requires a complete tear down. We've had these glossed over rebuilds to where there was never a real one and why our coaches never sustained success. Good season in their 1st or 2nd year and it's never replicated because the illusion of a rebuild was set but it wasn't real. That's a Rehab.
A rebuild requires talent, competition and depth and every position. How people think Auburn has all 3 of those on every level is mind boggling to me.
The OLine is serviceable but not good and needs 2 more recruiting cycles to get good and stay good.
Our WRs are talented but mostly young outside Lewis & KLS. So they're inconsistent.
Our best DLineman is a Sophomore.
Our LBs have regressed.
Our DBs with talent are young too...so AGAIN they're inconsistent.
The QB room just hasn't been good.
So when you add inconsistency some places, a lack of talent and some places, a lack of depth some places, you get Auburn. A team in the early stages of a TRUE rebuild.
and the upperclassmen can't make the younger players better because most of the younger players are more talented and better than the upperclassmen. They just lack game experience. That game experience will be learned in the games and probably in some losses.
But all will be well. Hugh has a plan and we are REBUILDING. Not Rehabbing.
This post was edited on 10/17/24 at 12:47 pm
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Posted on 10/17/24 at 2:34 pm to thirdlawson
I think freeze can turn it around with better coaching and 100% hitting the portal for immediate needs. His recruiting has been off the charts. This off-season there should be zero excuses for bringing in more talented portal additions. Someone needs to be taking notes on exactly who and what style players need to fill that void. It may take spending some of the high school money but with more wins I think the pressure will die down.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 2:50 pm to thirdlawson
Myself and most on this board understand that, brother. But the average fan seeing week after week of mediocrity trot out on the field for the past 3+ yrs won’t understand. Their question will be why are we not performing at a level of Bama, Georgia, Ohio State etc. without any nuanced introspection and analysis on why that’s happening. I am actually amazed at the crowd still turning out in support for every game and proud of that, but it’s going to start wearing down on people to see us lose home games on the regular.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 3:55 pm to BrounHaller
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Bama, Georgia, Ohio State
Bama has recruited and played well for the last 17 years. I remember Bama didn't even have anyone drafted after Saban's 1st season. But the cupboard wasn't bare. and they weren't replacing 57 transfers in 2 years. Transfer portal help or not, if most of your players are transfers then that's a culture problem. See Lane Kiffin and his inability to win a big game.
Georgia has been good and stocked since 2001. Mark Richt was fired after a 9 win season. Kirby has lived a charmed life as a HC. No legendary expectations to follow, roster full of great talent from day 1, 1000% support.
Ohio State has been at the top of a 3-team conference for the last almost 25 years.
Delusion is a weird place...
This post was edited on 10/17/24 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 10/17/24 at 4:45 pm to thirdlawson
Again, preaching to the choir here. The vast majority of fans don’t have the time to follow recruiting rankings, only wins and losses and the sound bites of what talking heads on ESPN/FOX/CBS think about us.
Have you seen in the recent days of the ESPN spin machine justifying Bama’s loss to Vanderbilt as a “good loss”? That’s what I am talking about.
Have you seen in the recent days of the ESPN spin machine justifying Bama’s loss to Vanderbilt as a “good loss”? That’s what I am talking about.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 5:34 pm to BrounHaller
We have had many moments of great plays but we have also seen many just disastrous plays. I think Jarquez is the only Sr that came out of high school to Auburn. Then take a lot at our roster and check out the junior class. KLS has been great. Wade has been above average. Most of the other transfers have been below SEC average to down right bad. Look at our interior DL where the hell is Trill Carter, Jayson jones, and Blidi… they do an ok job on their assignment but don’t make plays there is a difference. Our best 0 tech is probably Bobby Travis (imo) our best playmaker at the 3 is probably Blockton.
Granted there is an argument that there is still enough talent on the team that we should be 4-2 instead of 2-4 and I get that and I understand the frustration but the boys for the most part are still playing hard and I don’t think the coaches forgot how to coach but these cats may be super close “brothers” as teammates but these cats chemistry on the field is very off and that isn’t directed at any individual player or coach it’s just what it is. Then to add on top the breaks just haven’t gone our way. Penalties turnovers mistakes and some bad play calling all add up to losing games we shouldn’t have.
The challenge today and everyday going forward is for each individual player to get better at their strengths and weaknesses. Hard work! That’s how it translates to the field.
My only personal request in this entire situation is let’s stop calling players trash, or garbage, or pathetic, any personal attack. I will exclude comments about effort. You should definitely point out lack of effort. But the shite that comes from fans are an embarrassment in my opinion. Don’t care if they are “paid” or not “paid” nor do I care if they transfer or not my statement has nothing to do with those at all it’s just “trashy” as a fanbase that calls itself a “family”.
Now let go get better.
Granted there is an argument that there is still enough talent on the team that we should be 4-2 instead of 2-4 and I get that and I understand the frustration but the boys for the most part are still playing hard and I don’t think the coaches forgot how to coach but these cats may be super close “brothers” as teammates but these cats chemistry on the field is very off and that isn’t directed at any individual player or coach it’s just what it is. Then to add on top the breaks just haven’t gone our way. Penalties turnovers mistakes and some bad play calling all add up to losing games we shouldn’t have.
The challenge today and everyday going forward is for each individual player to get better at their strengths and weaknesses. Hard work! That’s how it translates to the field.
My only personal request in this entire situation is let’s stop calling players trash, or garbage, or pathetic, any personal attack. I will exclude comments about effort. You should definitely point out lack of effort. But the shite that comes from fans are an embarrassment in my opinion. Don’t care if they are “paid” or not “paid” nor do I care if they transfer or not my statement has nothing to do with those at all it’s just “trashy” as a fanbase that calls itself a “family”.
Now let go get better.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 8:01 pm to CorchJay
We should beat the NMSU, Cal and Arkansas type teams with the current talent. Only coaching malpractice made that not happen. The casual fan will see losses to those teams and rightly not understand why we aren’t more competitive. The casual fan sees losses to Alabama and Georgia and moves on because those teams are supposed to beat Auburn and they aren’t so invested to let it ruin their week.
Freeze may turn it around, but a rebuild doesn’t require shitting the bed against worse teams in the current. It’s not a required part of the process. We aren’t a pro team tanking for a draft pick here.
Hugh has burned through all his honeymoon period goodwill on shite losses that shouldn’t have happened. He’s made year 3 a make or break year, and put the rebuild in jeopardy. He might turn it around yet but it won’t be because he dicked around and blew a bunch of winnable games in years 1&2.
Freeze may turn it around, but a rebuild doesn’t require shitting the bed against worse teams in the current. It’s not a required part of the process. We aren’t a pro team tanking for a draft pick here.
Hugh has burned through all his honeymoon period goodwill on shite losses that shouldn’t have happened. He’s made year 3 a make or break year, and put the rebuild in jeopardy. He might turn it around yet but it won’t be because he dicked around and blew a bunch of winnable games in years 1&2.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 9:27 pm to jangalang
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That part did indeed suck but those teams were cohesive machines that bought into taking out a bigger team.
Good point. A 'TEAM" of less talented players will more often than not
win against slightly better and less experienced players.
We haven't established an identity.
Another good point, and this is flat out on CHF.
He should have started leaning on the run in the Cal game and
continued to lean on it more as it became obvious that we cannot be a
"pass opens up the run" team. If he had adapted the offense to our
strength instead of cramming a square peg into a round hole we would
be 5-1 at worst right now.
less talented, cohesive teams pick off talent all the time.
See Vandy/UA and should have been USC/UA.
Vastly more talent on bammer's roster but they don't play as a unit.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 8:50 am to BrounHaller
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ESPN spin machine justifying Bama’s loss to Vanderbilt as a “good loss”?
Any talking head who would say that is just a tool.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 8:55 am to Fearless and True
The same coaches to beat Auburn at New Mexico State is the same coaches have to beat Bama at Vanderbilt. QB too
Clarke was 3-23 before that infusion
Clarke was 3-23 before that infusion
Posted on 10/18/24 at 9:23 am to jangalang
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The same coaches to beat Auburn at New Mexico State is the same coaches have to beat Bama at Vanderbilt. QB too
Clarke was 3-23 before that infusion
Thank you.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:04 am to thirdlawson
No problem. I have restated that fact on the rant couple times but Bama either acknowledges or too embarrassed to argue about it. Vandy saw Kill's formula last year against us and bought into it, brought him, the OC, and the QB and executed it to perfection. Vandy held the ball for roughly 42 minutes against Bama, which was similar to their keep-away ball control lost year. Vandy will be a tough out for a lot of teams that sleep on Vandy's capabilities with only a short week of game prep. It's akin to blowing off UVA basketball prep and then showing up acting surprised they just punctured a hole in your ball and it doesn't go anywhere now.
The ways to attack Kill's plan? That's a good question but it needs to be acknowledged Vandy doesn't have an NIL entitlement problem that Auburn or Bama deals with. Their players believe in the system, not because they hate money, but because they want to eventually earn money themselves. Bama and Auburn has to accept tough coaching in practice to iron out defensive fundamentals. Kill's system isn't anything spectacular. It's just slowly moving the ball up the field and the defense not stopping it. I believe they had a 17 play drive against Bama.
The ways to attack Kill's plan? That's a good question but it needs to be acknowledged Vandy doesn't have an NIL entitlement problem that Auburn or Bama deals with. Their players believe in the system, not because they hate money, but because they want to eventually earn money themselves. Bama and Auburn has to accept tough coaching in practice to iron out defensive fundamentals. Kill's system isn't anything spectacular. It's just slowly moving the ball up the field and the defense not stopping it. I believe they had a 17 play drive against Bama.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:28 am to jangalang
You have to jump out on them and make them play from behind. Can't hold the ball and frustrate the other team without the lead.
They sit on the lead and make you press. Have to make them play out of their element.
They sit on the lead and make you press. Have to make them play out of their element.
Posted on 11/1/24 at 4:08 pm to thirdlawson
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Indiana HC Curt Cignetti: "I wasn’t going to take four or five years to win. Like, back in the day, you just try to build a program by your fourth year. Nowadays you’ve got to win now. ... I’m not used to *not* winning, so we were going to win now."
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