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Posted on 2/23/22 at 1:22 pm to wareaglepete
Love it
Posted on 2/23/22 at 1:26 pm to Stidham8
Thanks for outing yourself as dumb
Posted on 2/23/22 at 1:40 pm to Stidham8
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Coaching matters very little for WR’s
Posted on 2/23/22 at 2:16 pm to TailbackU
Man that wall of text crit me hard
Posted on 2/23/22 at 3:04 pm to Skyler97
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Lol what? There are tons of technique involved in route running, decision making, blocking, and catching that can be coached
This is what fans of a team full of 3 star WRs say.
There’s no big secret to coaching WRs that every other team isn’t already coaching their players. Hence, numerous rookie WRs tear up the NFL year after year. Same thing with college football freshmen.
Auburn’s receivers in particular are a great example. They were horrible all year long even after firing the WR coach for a supposed upgrade.
This post was edited on 2/23/22 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 2/23/22 at 3:20 pm to Stidham8
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There’s no big secret to coaching WRs that every other team isn’t already coaching their players.
Why is this not applicable to literally every single position coach in football?
Posted on 2/23/22 at 3:20 pm to Stidham8
The only 3* WRs on the roster next season are guys that were in high school last season. Albeit, they’re mostly not top 100/200 guys still.
Anyway, coaching matters. But we need recruiters too and in this league it might be equally or more important
My opinion — this looks like a good hire. SEC and southern kid with NFL coaching experience. We’ll see how recruiting works
Anyway, coaching matters. But we need recruiters too and in this league it might be equally or more important
My opinion — this looks like a good hire. SEC and southern kid with NFL coaching experience. We’ll see how recruiting works
Posted on 2/23/22 at 3:26 pm to wareaglepete
Not gonna lie, on paper, Hilliard is a great hire.
Wish he could have done something like this at the coordinator spot.
Wish he could have done something like this at the coordinator spot.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 3:37 pm to IAmNERD
He’s from Louisiana and played in Florida. Hope he still has some connections in those areas.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 3:41 pm to Skyler97
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Why is this not applicable to literally every single position coach in football?
It is for the most part. Some positions more so than others.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 3:42 pm to wareaglepete
Hilliard was the bomb at Florida under Spurrier. I like the hire.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 3:43 pm to Stidham8
I agree with you. People had these same conversations when Dameyune’s receivers dropped 1/3 balls for weeks. Still exhausted with them so can’t support you too much.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 3:53 pm to Stidham8
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It is for the most part. Some positions more so than others.
So what would you say separates position coaches at the pro level? Since there is no recruiting involved, what separates valuable and not valuable positional coaches?
Posted on 2/23/22 at 3:54 pm to jangalang
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Haven’t dug into his career much but if he is responsible for Claypool and Dione Johnson I am please.
Steeler fan here.
Hilliard didn’t have anything to do w drafting Johnson but Johnson did improve his pass catching ability in the last year as he had serious drops 2 years ago. The only reason he left the Steelers bc their new OC wanted a WR he had worked w before.
The question I have is w his recruiting. It looks like he’s been almost solely coaching in the NFL. So he has little if any experience or contacts.
The fact he has NFL connection definitely helps. So we will see.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 4:04 pm to jangalang
I agree with the things he thinks a coach isn’t mostly responsible for. But that omits most of the work that happens in a WR room. Nuance is typically lost on this board.
WR coach will have responsibility in teaching the game. Teaching techniques on the LOS with blocking and getting into routes and where to line up. They’ll teach the routes obviously but even finer points like using your hands against the defender, finding soft spots in the zone, using routes and cuts to open throwing windows.
But most of the work is during the week in scouting the defense and figuring out what DBs like to do in coverage. Strategizing how to manipulate weaknesses.
They obviously can’t make a guy instantly a better pass catcher or twitchier. Can’t teach speed or height. But all of that is selected on the recruiting trail
WR coach will have responsibility in teaching the game. Teaching techniques on the LOS with blocking and getting into routes and where to line up. They’ll teach the routes obviously but even finer points like using your hands against the defender, finding soft spots in the zone, using routes and cuts to open throwing windows.
But most of the work is during the week in scouting the defense and figuring out what DBs like to do in coverage. Strategizing how to manipulate weaknesses.
They obviously can’t make a guy instantly a better pass catcher or twitchier. Can’t teach speed or height. But all of that is selected on the recruiting trail
Posted on 2/23/22 at 5:41 pm to TheJones
No dude they don’t do anything…….
:facepalm:
:facepalm:
Posted on 2/23/22 at 6:01 pm to TheJones
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I agree with the things he thinks a coach isn’t mostly responsible for. But that omits most of the work that happens in a WR room. Nuance is typically lost on this board. WR coach will have responsibility in teaching the game. Teaching techniques on the LOS with blocking and getting into routes and where to line up. They’ll teach the routes obviously but even finer points like using your hands against the defender, finding soft spots in the zone, using routes and cuts to open throwing windows. But most of the work is during the week in scouting the defense and figuring out what DBs like to do in coverage. Strategizing how to manipulate weaknesses. They obviously can’t make a guy instantly a better pass catcher or twitchier. Can’t teach speed or height. But all of that is selected on the recruiting trail
You probably already have 50,000 posts here and still spend entirely way too much time on this. OL coaches will always have their hands full and the best ones will get paid like a coordinator. WR coaches just needs to hope the players they recruited make them look good. It takes skill Jones. You know this. You know that I know receivers need some technique as well. Coaching receivers isn’t rocket science though. Good Lord, Jones…
This post was edited on 2/23/22 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 2/23/22 at 6:18 pm to jangalang
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You probably already have 50,000 posts here and still spend entirely way too much time on this. OL coaches will always have their hands full and the best ones will get paid like a coordinator. WR coaches just needs to hope the players they recruited make them look good. It takes skill Jones. You know this. You know that I know receivers need some technique as well. Coaching receivers isn’t rocket science though. Good Lord, Jones…
I don’t have much else to say but agree with all of this. There’s no significant difference a wide receiver coach makes compared to other schools aside from his ability to recruit. And that’s the truth for almost every position.
Amari Cooper, Julio Jones, Devonta Smith, Henry Ruggs, Calvin Ridley, etc. all didn’t have monster freshman seasons at Alabama after learning some sort of coaching tricks over the one month of fall camp. They all had one thing in common: being elite recruits that Nick Saban wanted.
Auburn hasn’t sniffed a player of their caliber at the position in a long time.
This post was edited on 2/23/22 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 2/23/22 at 6:25 pm to AU_251
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No dude they don’t do anything…….
Like I said, nuance
Lost art. We can’t recognize that we need both good players and good coaching. Always one or the other with these kuckleheads. They never learn. Same goes for the guys on the recruiting thread who want to “just coach up” high motor guys with a good work ethic. Coaches can make guys better but they can’t make chicken salad out of chicken shite.
This post was edited on 2/23/22 at 6:27 pm
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