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Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:15 am to
Posted by AUCE05
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Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:15 am to
IDK why, but I put him in the same bucket as Flick. More cheerleader type
Posted by WarEaGAL
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:24 am to
LINK
This story suggests at the end that Kiffin's buyout is ~$5M?
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4593 posts
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:25 am to
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Lane went to Fresno State.


I stand corrected - but either way, he went to school in Cali and "grew up" coaching at USC and rose through the ranks there. That was the draw there.

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It's not that I see other jobs as better than Auburn. I just think Lane is one of those guys that is attracted to shiny things and can't sit still for long.


Right, but for something to be "shiny" it needs to be equal or better than this job. I assume you aren't suggesting that the Oregon State job is going to open up and Lane will leave Auburn for that?

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He would probably bolt just because that is what he does. He has never held a job longer than 5 years (USC Asst from 2002-06).


You are being extremely hyperbolic. He was a young coach looking to rise in the profession. Young coaches move around and take new jobs to move up. That's how it works. The ONLY "lateral" move in his resume was leaving Tennessee for USC and we just went over that one. Everything else was leaving for a bigger job or to progress his career. And thats the point of what I'm saying: at Auburn, there really isn't anywhere else he can realistically "rise" to. He already went to USC and that didn't work. He already tried the NFL and I doubt they'd come calling again.

Look at his "job jumping":

Colorado State GA to Jacksonville Jaguars QCC - move upwards
Jacksonville Jaguars QGC to USC TE - move upwards
USC TE to USC WR to USC PGC/OC - move upwards
USC PGC/OC to Oakland Raiders HC - move upwards
Tennessee HC to USC HC - lateral move to a program he had long history with.
Alabama OC/QB to Florida Atlantic - move back upwards to HC'ing
Florida Atlantic HC to Ole Miss HC - move upwards

He's actually not randomly jumping from job to job at all.
Posted by beaver
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Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:29 am to
I doubt they let the student pilots fly the Cessna Citations
Posted by Cocotheape
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Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:30 am to
I bet young Lane enjoyed FoCo. That would’ve been before the craft beer scene blew up and CSU was a rowdier place, as I understand it
This post was edited on 12/18/20 at 9:31 am
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4593 posts
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:32 am to
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He has never held a job longer than 5 years (USC Asst from 2002-06).


By the way - to go further on this point:

Gus Malzahn had never held a job longer than 5 years prior to coming here. You might also not want to look at Billy Napier's coaching history because he most certainly hasn't been anywhere for more than 3 years.

It's called a normal coaching progression.
Posted by BuckFama334
Central Alabama
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:33 am to
There is no sense in arguing, I love Lane Kiffin. You make some fair points.

I lean Napier, but I would be extremely pleased with us hiring either Napier or Lane.

I think both would elevate the program to a level where we compete for ships every year.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
45217 posts
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:34 am to
I look at Lane as a safer Freeze.
Posted by BuckFama334
Central Alabama
Member since Aug 2018
1826 posts
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:36 am to
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You might also not want to look at Billy Napier's coaching history because he most certainly hasn't been anywhere for more than 3 years


Napier was at Clemson from 2006-10 (5 seasons). Bama from 2013-16 (4 seasons).

This is all irrelevant. Who is your guy, Meta?
Posted by BuckFama334
Central Alabama
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:43 am to
I am pretty much anti-Freeze.

I wouldn't completely melt if we hired him. However, it is hard to get behind all that fake arse Christian bullshite that he pushed while dealing with hookers and crippling Ole Miss with NCAA sanctions.

All of that and he really didn't win shite. He wasn't much more successful there than Cutcliffe was.

Doesn't seem like a great fit.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
45217 posts
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:44 am to
Same. His stock is elevated because he beat Saban a few times before he transitioned to an offensive scheme. Saban would beat the hell out of Freeze now.
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4593 posts
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:44 am to
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Napier was at Clemson from 2006-10 (5 seasons). Bama from 2013-16 (4 seasons).



Right, but that stint at Clemson also included him being promoted to keep him there (2006-2008 he was TE/RC, and 2009-2010 he moved up to OC/QB). Had some other school offered the OC/QB job and Clemson didn't, he would have taken that and left. His job progression is no different than Kiffin's really. I think its silly to look at a young coach who jumps jobs in order to progress in the profession as if its a negative, when really, thats what needs to happen - and for them to get to a top level job like Auburn, they'd need to have "progressed" here somehow.
Posted by kage
ATL
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:09 am to
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I am pretty much anti-Freeze.

I wouldn't completely melt if we hired him. However, it is hard to get behind all that fake arse Christian bullshite that he pushed while dealing with hookers and crippling Ole Miss with NCAA sanctions.


Right there with you. I think Freeze would have tough time recruiting and would constantly have to deal with answering to what he did not that long ago. Having a coach that has to tell his story of retribution to every parent of a kid that he wants to play football for him is not a recipe for building a great roster. And nobody knows if he can actually recruit at a high level without using those tools.
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4593 posts
Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:12 am to
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This is all irrelevant. Who is your guy, Meta?



I think that Hugh Freeze is the best/most proven "win now" target we could land. He would absolutely win here and turn the tide of this team immediately. He's also already done it in this division at a much harder school to succeed at. I'm also a big proponent of letting a guy do his fricking up elsewhere and then scooping up the "smarter" version once they've been humbled. The off field/NCAA stuff is the obvious problem and why he won't likely get the job, but if we're talking about pure output I think you guys are nuts if you don't see how good he is at actually producing results. I've said this before - he's the coaching equivalent of what we THOUGHT Malzahn was going to be.

I think that Lane Kiffin brings the same concerns as Hugh Freeze but without the actual SEC West performance (to date). I don't see the logic in not wanting Freeze, but wanting Kiffin. Both guys are going to have the NCAA at their backs, and Kiffin has his own problems with booze and "everything that goes with that". He's a very talented offensive mind though and would be fun here.

If we're talking about Freeze being off-limits, then we now need to be looking at a recruiting HC which is what our top priority should be period. Thats why Cristobal was THE guy for us and why it's so revolting that we fricked that up. I'm not sure if there are any "surprise" candidates we could dig up or uncover, but here we're looking at Billy Napier and Tony Elliott. Those are the only two realistic names right now that would make a dent on the recruiting trail. I've heard it suggested that Elliott might have the higher upside, with Napier having the higher floor. Both guys are obviously interesting though, but I feel like both are less ready versions of what Cristobal can already do. Maybe both guys end up being better "coaches" long term, but for where we are now Cristobal was the perfect guy. Both Napier and Elliott need more seasoning, but I could see both guys suceeding.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
45217 posts
Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:18 am to
? Freeze was paying for hookers and openly giving money to players. Lane does not have the same issues as Freeze. No one knows how Freeze will sustain success without cheating. His Christian angle would get old really quick.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
51967 posts
Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:23 am to
Plot Twist:

We thankfully accept ADAG’s resignation so he can be free to swag on the west coast
We fire Gus to allow him the opportunity to become AD.
We hire Freeze to be HC and allow a man of integrity like Gus to monitor Bruce and Freeze.
Steele, Gus, and ADAG have been in cahoots all along but now the social media outcry has nixed the grandiose 2 year plan in the making.


Now we hire Les Miles.
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4593 posts
Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:28 am to
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? Freeze was paying for hookers and openly giving money to players. Lane does not have the same issues as Freeze. No one knows how Freeze will sustain success without cheating. His Christian angle would get old really quick.



He's a guy who likes to drink, has his own NCAA concerns, and his own indiscretions with regards to "non-Christian" behavior. You're kinda arguing "oh its not as bad" but its the same shite, bro. If you're out on one guy then you're out on both. Some of these arguments are stupid: he was openly paying players. Okay, so do you believe he's dumb enough to do that again? Also, do you believe he'd need to be openly paying players at Auburn? We have actual "bagmen" if you want to play that game. The shite he got caught for at Ole Miss was incredibly stupid, which everyone knows.

Hugh Freeze is a hell of a coach and I'm seeing him challenge and beat legit P5 teams with Liberty talent and a castoff Auburn QB who's now going to make the NFL under him. He can absolutely win and has won everywhere.
Posted by robbykidd
Tulsa
Member since May 2011
1404 posts
Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:33 am to
I like Campbell as well. He’s averaging $3.5 with a $6 million buyout. That $6 million wouldn’t normally be a big impediment, but after paying Gus, it seems like a big number.
Posted by BuckFama334
Central Alabama
Member since Aug 2018
1826 posts
Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:36 am to
Lane Kiffin has never been implicated in anything inappropriate. Yet somehow constantly gets accused of all kinds of crazy shite...

Hugh Freeze was caught red handed with the hooker thing on a university phone and freely admitted to it.

I don't understand how there is a comparison here.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
86682 posts
Posted on 12/18/20 at 10:41 am to
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I like Campbell as well. He’s averaging $3.5 with a $6 million buyout. That $6 million wouldn’t normally be a big impediment, but after paying Gus, it seems like a big number.



sounds like the biggest issue is Campbell's lack of interest, which is too bad
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