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re: Muschamp is the new Auburn DC.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 7:55 pm to AU66
Posted on 12/7/14 at 7:55 pm to AU66
quote:Yeah but it's focus on having a staff recruiting talent in general over developing talent that has gotten us in trouble at times the last 6 years. Recruiting is important but not at the expense of good coaching that breeds player development. Not saying TKO can not or would not develop players. Just saying developing is as important as getting talent.
Exactly sometimes name recognition on sheer intensity mean more to recruits than experience time coaching
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Posted on 12/7/14 at 7:58 pm to ellitor
El you very correct there obviuosly in a lot of areas our player development has sucked
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:01 pm to ellitor
quote:That's why I said unless he talked to him earlier. But either way it seems like Gus is aiming low with him. I don't know what Gus sees in him.
It's just now come out that Gus talked to Collins. He could have easily talked to him early last week as he did with Odom.
This post was edited on 12/7/14 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:03 pm to AU66
OP updated with Spurrier quotes Spiggly linked a page back.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:08 pm to ellitor
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OP updated with Spurrier quotes Spiggly linked a page back.
SCAR people are going to look incredibly stupid if Muschamp goes anywhere else.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:08 pm to AU66
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and Spikes knows more about linebacking than 99% of linebacker coaches out there.
What an absurd statement. Spikes was as good as he was because he was a freakish athlete, not because he was some sort of flawless technician. He spent the majority of his career as one of the most physically impressive Linebackers in the league. The following was his Combine performance; keep in mind that this was in 1998 before it became common practice for all these guys to go for a month+ and train at specialized camps to run and jump as best as they can:
"Though Spikes was generally considered the draft's second-best linebacker behind Georgia Tech's Keith Brooking, who Atlanta took with the No. 12 pick, his physical gifts may have been peerless. The 234-pounder was timed at 4.62 seconds in the 40-yard dash, though Bengals linebacker coach Mark Duffner cited a 4.48 clocking. Either is above-average for a linebacker. He bench-pressed 225 pounds 27 times at the NFL's scouting combine in February and recorded an impressive 37-inch vertical leap"
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:13 pm to metafour
Still not seeing the absurb statement, he played the game at a high level for years and give me a guy like that over a coach who has been moved around from position to position and often times to a position he never even played.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:19 pm to ellitor
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Yeah but it's focus on having a staff recruiting talent in general over developing talent that has gotten us in trouble at times the last 6 years.
Exactly. Frost is a former 5 star recruit, yet has zero instinct as a linebacker.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:20 pm to ellitor
Just saying that we have recruited stars not talent.
ETA: with someone like Frost, can't coach the marshmallow out of someone
ETA: with someone like Frost, can't coach the marshmallow out of someone
This post was edited on 12/7/14 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:24 pm to AU66
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Still not seeing the absurb statement, he played the game at a high level for years and give me a guy like that over a coach who has been moved around from position to position and often times to a position he never even played.
because you have the instincts to play a position doesn't mean that you can coach or recruit. Would kids love to have Spikes show up at their house and would they be fricking siked on the field when he is 120% energy at the start of the game? Yep to both. But can he get out and teach the fundamentals or the spot and can he instill the instincts of where they need to be? No idea, he hasn't tried and probably has no desire to do it.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:30 pm to GenesChin
Frost was the best player we had on defense this year
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:31 pm to TheJones
Yup
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:34 pm to TheJones
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Frost was the best player we had on defense this year
Which makes it even more depressing. Guy just doesn't have a clue how to stop the run inside the box. Like watching a kid in a business calc class, he is just lost
I'll admit he is a stud in every other part of the game. Run defense is pretty damn huge though when you don't want to have to commit more than 6 guys to the box
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:34 pm to AU66
Takeo probably told him to just be a freak athlete.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:37 pm to AU66
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Still not seeing the absurb statement, he played the game at a high level for years and give me a guy like that over a coach who has been moved around from position to position and often times to a position he never even played.
Wayne Gretzky and Isaiah Thomas are two of the best to EVER play their respective sports and they were both terrible coaches. Absolutely terrible.
Do you know why a "great player" often knows little about coaching? Because sports are athletic exercises. The best players are often the ones who are the most naturally athletic, like Takeo Spikes. A player who is naturally more athletic than the competition often doesn't have an answer for why they are so good, because it comes naturally. Its like retards thinking that Bo Jackson would make a "great" RB coach. WTF would Bo Jackson tell a RB? "OK son, its pretty easy...you just run that guy over, and then run 75 yards past everyone else on the field. Simple, right?" Do you get the point?
The best coaches are often completely average (or below average) players because they are often guys that lack natural physical ability, and to make up for that deficiency they develop an extreme understanding of how to technically play/understand the position and the game overall. Guys who are just naturally great go out on the field and it comes naturally to them, thus they can't teach anyone else shite. I'm not saying that there aren't exceptions, but that is the general reality. Nick Saban spent one year playing DB at Kent State...a short, white DB, he clearly didn't accomplish shite as a player. Bill Belichik played football at Wesleyan University, wherever that is.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:37 pm to GenesChin
quote:It's hard to know if it was stars or actual talent potential there since Chiz's philosophy at both AU and ISU was to recruit talent instead of developing talent.
Just saying that we have recruited stars not talent.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:39 pm to metafour
Not trying to be argumentative Met but read linked article, Spikes is worth a hard look... Not that it will matter what either of us think.. 
This post was edited on 12/7/14 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:39 pm to TheJones
quote:And he still never consistently reached the potential placed on him being a 5* recruit.
Frost was the best player we had on defense this year
Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:41 pm to GenesChin
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Takeo probably told him to just be a freak athlete.
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