re: Lurking Lanier Defend Gus, We Are All Listening......

quote:

---

People need to understand there may not be someone better than Gus on the market

---

Lol what? That's not a very high bar to reach. A monkey could win 7 or 8 games at Auburn, which is what GusShortBus normally does.

Jesus Christ aren’t you a know it all

Not trying to speak for him but I get the picture that he doesn't understand that the lack of execution he harps on is a byproduct of a complete lack of confidence and THAT comes from a leader or lack thereof. And who does THIS fall on? You got it, the 49M dollar man and he at least somewhat recognizes this but it's going to be damn hard for Gus to get through to his coaches and players if they have lost all respect and faith in him. Sure hope he can turn it around for the sake of everyone, staff and fans alike.

quote:

---

. I don't include Cam and Nick because they were too good and too confident for Gus to break them.

---

Untrue. You did not include Cam and Nick because they do not fit your narrative. Both improved tremendously under Malzahn and mostly because they were the right QB for him to coach.

When you put players in the wrong system, they will not improve. That is where Gus has failed. There is no doubt about that. Lets face it, Stidham is no dual threat QB. I dont care what his recruiting ranking is. He is very slow, he has zero illusiveness and cant even scramble the right way. For some reason, he always scrambles left which makes it tough for a high hander to throw from. Im sure none of the Auburn staff have ever worked on that with him so its surely their fault.

And my confidence would be blown to hell too if I constantly fumbled the ball when I was tackled and threw passes up for grabs like a high schooler. Once again, I am sure that has never been addressed so its not on him, just the coaching staff. If I a not mistaken, He has had three or four fumbles returned for a TD in 1.5 years. Last week, Clemson last year , Georgia Southern and I believe one other. Two of those were his first games. Its amazing how fast his confidence was shot

He is a turnover machine and he mostly seems to do it at the worst time. That has been consistent since he came to Auburn, not just recently.

Im not saying Gus is some kind of QB guru, never have.. But to blame some of the shite you guys want to blame on him, is kind of ridiculous. Were not talking about reading defenses or knowing difficult plays here. We are talking about basic football that these guys have been playing their entire lives. And I am not talking responsibility., ultimately it is on him but mechanically, guys are not executing simple things.

I agree Stidham isn't making the plays he needs to right now. But he has regressed significantly since last year. That is on coaching. The routes our WRs run aren't helping him out at all. That is on the coaches. They should have some kind of short to intermediate passing concepts and we have none.

The OL has some talent on it, but they didn't get the job done early on (they've gotten a little better). Our RBs are too small. Gus offense does not work unless he can get the run game going. When it is obvious that is not going to happen, you have to adjust. He doesn't. I'm not sure if he has tried and just can't, so he goes back to what he knows.

The players do need to execute better. But they need some scheme help when things don't go as planned. But that is where I am off the Gus Bus. He either can't or refuses to make any major adjustments to help the players out.

quote:

---

i could be wrong, but i assert that it *is* considered an extreme position by many to make such a decision after 2 games. yes, granted, there's 5 years of history as well, but interpretations of that vary.

as has been pointed out in this thread, we could be 6-1 today but for one particular player's mistakes/decision-making and mere yards/seconds from being 7-0.

---

Sounds like you're pretty pro-Gus. I'm not accusing you of adoring Gus, of course.

Sure, a handful of different results could mean we're 6-1. KJ not being banged up might have saved us from 4 losses last year. A couple bounces against LSU last year and we win that one. The whirlybird works once against Clemson and we win that one.

I mean, we can do this indefinitely, but the common theme is that we have a 7 million dollar head coach who can't stop losing 4-5 games a season. Over time, the excuses even out and the reality has to come through. In year 6, I think we're at that point. Now we've lost to two mediocre/bad teams, one at home, and are facing several more losses, most likely.

You have to be decidedly optimistic about Gus, or decidedly pessimistic about Auburn's chances to improve, to say a "wait and see" approach is the middle ground approach.

My point regarding the hypothetical in-game results was that right now we've only suffered 2 admittedly bad losses, and even those were partially unfortunate and partially focused on one or a few players (and I think you know that). "Burning it down" after that remains extreme IMO.

At the risk of sounding defensive, I'm not pro-anything, other than riding out the practically unprecedented and era-defining success that our in-state rival is currently enjoying and emerging from the other side positioned to win.

Practicality rules everything. As others have said, there may not be a better option right now, regardless of the amount of money. Tennessee thought they would surely upgrade and remain atop the SEC East after firing Fulmer. Look where they've been lately.

So the last thing you said is true. I am pessimistic about Auburn's chances to improve right now, all things considered. However, I didn't say anything about "wait and see." The middle ground may be broad, but not changing anything at this point isn't an option for anyone, including Gustard.

quote:

---

Because Gus has brain fricked this whole team. It's so easy to see if you take off the orange and blue glasses. The nervous demeanor has always exuded from Gus.

---

Aren’t you the same one who said “Time for Gus to show out against Southern Miss!” You turned on him late and then did a complete 180.

quote:

---

now Gus has shown his true colors

---

They’ve been on display for years.

quote:

---

and the team has quit.

---

I’ll let you know when the team has quit.

quote:

---

My point regarding the hypothetical in-game results was that right now we've only suffered 2 admittedly bad losses, and even those were partially unfortunate and partially focused on one or a few players (and I think you know that). "Burning it down" after that remains extreme IMO.

---

If we're defining burning it down as coaching staff turnover (complete - including HC), would you feel the same absent the buyout?

I feel we've seen enough to move on from Gus. But factoring in the cost, the choice is much more difficult and problematic. I think THAT is the "middle ground"/moderate, etc. view.

But you keep coming back to the unfortunate nature of our losses, and that sounds more like a pure defense of Gus and his fitness for the job rather than a "all things considered" (including buyout) analysis.