Started By
Message

re: It’s time to move on from Bo

Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:34 am to
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50771 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:34 am to
Yeah I wouldn’t say he was bad as a true a freshman. He was just a true freshman and it showed on the road.
Posted by bigtrain333
Member since Oct 2017
313 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:36 am to
He’s thrown 1 td pass since Penn State and that was the miracle broken play against LSU. He constantly panics and doesn’t see the field even with no pressure like the first series Saturday when 27 was standing uncovered at the goal in front of Shenker.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
44996 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:46 am to
Sir, I need you to stop posting facts. You need to use variable adjustments to prove your point. Like "if the other team would not play their DBs, Bo would have 25 TDs this year."
Posted by AUDevil
Somewhere
Member since Jul 2016
704 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:57 am to
Sam Pittman just called Bo Nix a superstar…debate over.
Posted by RandySavage
9 Time Natty Winner
Member since May 2012
34912 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 11:21 am to
quote:

When you come in 10th 3 years in a row the common denominator eventually becomes you.


Well two years he was coached by Gus and his line and receivers have gotten significantly worse since 2019.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50771 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 12:11 pm to
quote:

Sam Pittman just called Bo Nix a superstar…debate over.

Star LSU defensive player said they couldn’t tackle Bo.

Georgia defensive player said he was wearing them down.

All the opposing defensive coaches are forced to game plan for our most dynamic player- Bo.

But somehow we think he is trash
This post was edited on 10/13/21 at 2:37 pm
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
44996 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 12:45 pm to
Bo has a 59.6 QBR for the year. Good for 66th in the country. He is currently completing 56 % of his passes vs top 25 teams. He is at 53.7% completions in conference. Against the powerhouse Georgia St, he completed 48% of his passes. It is the OL, RB, and WR's fault. Every year. But to some, Bo is a top 3 SEC QB
Posted by allin2010
Auburn
Member since Aug 2011
18447 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 1:18 pm to
quote:

Bo is a top 3 SEC Q


He is also not the only problem with the offense. If he had transferred with Gus, we are 3-3 at this point (at best)
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4457 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 1:36 pm to
quote:

If he had transferred with Gus, we are 3-3 at this point (at best).


If you're going to play hypotheticals - you can't just stop at one end and then create a conclusion out of it.

If Bo Nix transferred with Gus, that would have opened up an auto-starting position at QB at Auburn. So who is the QB at Auburn under that scenario? Is it Tyler Shough who transferred from Oregon to Texas Tech (he's now injured)? Maybe it's Will Levis who transferred from Penn State and is now leading undefeated Kentucky (he announced his decision 3-4 days after Gus was named UCF's HC)?

Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4457 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 2:01 pm to
And one thing that I think is important:

I don't think that Bo Nix's flaws really mesh well with the makeup of this offense. In a lot of ways, they exasperate the flaws.

You have a group of inexperienced and borderline incompetent receivers playing alongside an inconsistent and inaccurate QB. What this creates are scenarios wherein the chance is sky-high that SOMEONE is making a mistake on any given passing play. On one snap, Bo Nix will miss a read on what would be a wide-open receiver, or he'll miss his spot on a throw to a receiver which creates an incompletion. Then, on the next snap he'll throw a good (catchable) pass to an open receiver, who proceeds to drop it. When you have subpar receivers, you can't also have an erratic and inaccurate QB throwing the ball - it's like pouring gasoline on a fire.

The same applies with the blocking. You have a subpar offensive line trying to block for a QB who wants to escape all the time. If you know anything about playing OL, you'll know that it's very challenging for them to play with their backs facing a QB who isn't prone to staying where he's supposed to be staying. So you have these situations wherein they actually DO play a decent snap where the pocket is there...but Bo Nix prematurely starts scrambling and forces the play to break-down into "backyard football". Then on the next snap, the OL gets manhandled and he's dead to rights. Nix consistently played with too much adrenaline against Georgia and was far too eager to escape. Some of these were warranted, but there were a few plays where he legitimately was running on a faster clock than everyone else around him.
Posted by SECdragonmaster
Order of the Dragons
Member since Dec 2013
17335 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 2:07 pm to
quote:

And one thing that I think is important: I don't think that Bo Nix's flaws really mesh well with the makeup of this offense. In a lot of ways, they exasperate the flaws. You have a group of inexperienced and borderline incompetent receivers playing alongside an inconsistent and inaccurate QB. What this creates are scenarios wherein the chance is sky-high that SOMEONE is making a mistake on any given passing play. On one snap, Bo Nix will miss a read on what would be a wide-open receiver, or he'll miss his spot on a throw to a receiver which creates an incompletion. Then, on the next snap he'll throw a good (catchable) pass to an open receiver, who proceeds to drop it. When you have subpar receivers, you can't also have an erratic and inaccurate QB throwing the ball - it's like pouring gasoline on a fire. The same applies with the blocking. You have a subpar offensive line trying to block for a QB who wants to escape all the time. If you know anything about playing OL, you'll know that it's very challenging for them to play with their backs facing a QB who isn't prone to staying where he's supposed to be staying. So you have these situations wherein they actually DO play a decent snap where the pocket is there...but Bo Nix prematurely starts scrambling and forces the play to break-down into "backyard football". Then on the next snap, the OL gets manhandled and he's dead to rights. Nix consistently played with too much adrenaline against Georgia and was far too eager to escape. Some of these were warranted, but there were a few plays where he legitimately was running on a faster clock than everyone else around him


This is the best summary on this topic I have read.
Posted by ChexMix
Taste the Deliciousness
Member since Apr 2014
25494 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 2:07 pm to
quote:

He’s thrown 1 td pass since Penn State and that was the miracle broken play against LSU. He constantly panics and doesn’t see the field even with no pressure like the first series Saturday when 27 was standing uncovered at the goal in front of Shenker.


We are watching two totally different games. The ball tipped off Shenker's hands. Was it perfectly thrown, no. But it hit BOTH hands
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4457 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 2:16 pm to
quote:

We are watching two totally different games. The ball tipped off Shenker's hands. Was it perfectly thrown, no. But it hit BOTH hands



This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

That was absolutely a gaff by Shenker.

However, the QB missed an easier route to a receiver that would have been an easier completion. Then, he threw a less than ideal pass to an open target who...isn't an amazing receiver. That target should have made the catch, but he didn't.

Nix's throw made that reception harder than it should have been.

At the end of the day Shenker dropped it, but a more accurate and well placed ball REDUCES the chance of that happening. On that freak play to Fromm against LSU the ball basically hit him in the stomach for the most relaxed catch you'll see in football. The throw to Shenker? You're asking a guy to jump and contort to make a play on the ball.
Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
9961 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 2:20 pm to
That whole play design was literally to get the ball to an open Shenker in the end zone lol. Shenker is literally second on the team in receptions and sadly has arguably the best hands on the team.
Posted by RandySavage
9 Time Natty Winner
Member since May 2012
34912 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 2:28 pm to
quote:

But to some, Bo is a top 3 SEC QB


Ole Miss and Alabama have a better QB. I'm not sure anyone else has one clearly better. He's in the next group of 3-4 that are pretty even. For a team with a dearth of talent at the other offensive positions he's pretty much what we have to have to succeed. A statue in the pocket would get murdered and we would have zero success moving the ball.
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4457 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 2:32 pm to
quote:

That whole play design was literally to get the ball to an open Shenker in the end zone lol. Shenker is literally second on the team in receptions and sadly has arguably the best hands on the team.



Right...and I just explained to you how that play exemplifies why it doesn't work when you combine subpar receivers with an inaccurate QB. An inaccurate QB can work with receivers who have freakish ball skills and wide catch radiuses. Also, subpar receivers can work with an accurate QB who will MAKE UP for drops by consistently placing the ball where it needs to be placed and reducing the amount of bad throws that he himself makes. What DOESN'T work is when you try to combine subpar receivers with an inaccurate QB - both parties create their own mistakes, while being unable to "hide" the mistakes of the other party.

Subpar receivers need the QB to make the job as easy as possible for them. Unfortunately for our offense, Nix is not a guy who possesses "pinpoint accuracy".
Posted by Niner
Member since Apr 2019
2033 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 2:48 pm to
quote:

And one thing that I think is important:

I don't think that Bo Nix's flaws really mesh well with the makeup of this offense. In a lot of ways, they exasperate the flaws.

You have a group of inexperienced and borderline incompetent receivers playing alongside an inconsistent and inaccurate QB. What this creates are scenarios wherein the chance is sky-high that SOMEONE is making a mistake on any given passing play. On one snap, Bo Nix will miss a read on what would be a wide-open receiver, or he'll miss his spot on a throw to a receiver which creates an incompletion. Then, on the next snap he'll throw a good (catchable) pass to an open receiver, who proceeds to drop it. When you have subpar receivers, you can't also have an erratic and inaccurate QB throwing the ball - it's like pouring gasoline on a fire.

The same applies with the blocking. You have a subpar offensive line trying to block for a QB who wants to escape all the time. If you know anything about playing OL, you'll know that it's very challenging for them to play with their backs facing a QB who isn't prone to staying where he's supposed to be staying. So you have these situations wherein they actually DO play a decent snap where the pocket is there...but Bo Nix prematurely starts scrambling and forces the play to break-down into "backyard football". Then on the next snap, the OL gets manhandled and he's dead to rights. Nix consistently played with too much adrenaline against Georgia and was far too eager to escape. Some of these were warranted, but there were a few plays where he legitimately was running on a faster clock than everyone else around him.
I have to respectfully disagree here.

I don't know how many posts or threads this needs to be communicated, but Bo is not a bad quarterback:

- He puts the ball where it needs to be consistently...his receivers just let him down time and time again. Don't give me the "it's a hard pass to catch" BS. An SEC WR doesn't get to make that excuse when it hits him in the hands or helmet or chest or thighs.

- For three years, the Oline has given the kid no chance to develop his pocket presence and he certainly didn't develop any in HS the way he played. He is started to get it, but he still has well below the average amount of time QBs should be getting to stand in the pocket. So I don't blame him for being hesitant at times to stay and stand tall.

- Again, for three years, he has had virtually no competent QB coaching and development. He is just now starting to understand how to be patient and make reads but this is very difficult with his Oline (see above).

Does Bo Nix have flaws? Absolutely. What QB doesn't have flaws? Are his flaws worse than most of the QBs in this league? Certainly not, in my opinion.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
44996 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 2:59 pm to
Assuming that is an opinion. UK, UF, UGA and Arky have statically better QBs. I didn't check LSU, UT or TAMU.

ETA

I'll let TAMUs QB pass due to being forced to play. Bo Nix's QBR is in the bottom with USC and Vandy's QB. 3rd year guy SMH.
This post was edited on 10/13/21 at 3:06 pm
Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
9961 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 3:58 pm to
I’d definitely rather have Emory than Bo, but Bo is better than Stetson and Levis. Jury is out on the Arky guy
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50771 posts
Posted on 10/13/21 at 4:25 pm to
quote:

I'll let TAMUs QB pass due to being forced to play. Bo Nix's QBR is in the bottom with USC and Vandy's QB. 3rd year guy SMH.

Which of those dudes would excel “statistically” on our roster right now?
first pageprev pagePage 8 of 11Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow SECRant for SEC Football News
Follow us on X and Facebook to get the latest updates on SEC Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitter