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re: How far are we from the “top 12?”
Posted on 12/23/24 at 1:17 pm to jangalang
Posted on 12/23/24 at 1:17 pm to jangalang
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21 rushes for 97 yards against Vandy is what you are cheering for. 110 rushing yards against Missouri is what you are cheering for.
Hunter was the second leading rusher in the SEC, but that doesn’t fit your narrative. You have to have good QB play to be able to really open up the running game, and I don’t care how good your Oline is if you don’t. Everyone stacked the box against Auburn because nobody was scared of PT beating them.
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 1:21 pm to metafour
I know they were without their QB and WRs but they had 14 or so more blue chippers than we did. On top of that our real blue chippers such as Faulk were only in their sophomore years. As that class progresses and more BCS come in experience and blue chippers rating should both reflect on the field.
The most important note is we should've won the Oklahoma game and choked it away regardless of who they had. We tried to give the A&M game with countless false starts as well.
The most important note is we should've won the Oklahoma game and choked it away regardless of who they had. We tried to give the A&M game with countless false starts as well.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 1:25 pm to jvilletiger25
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Hunter was the second leading rusher in the SEC, but that doesn’t fit your narrative.
The SEC isnt lining up in I formation anymore. Georgia was 15th out of 16. Jalen Milroe got more than 70 more carries than their top back.
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You have to have good QB play to be able to really open up the running game,
The QB was good enough to move between the 20s.
When we had the ball against Bama at the three with four downs to go and we:
1. Hunter run
2. Thorne run
3. Hunter run
and we dont get it in then that is an OL problem which spelled we didnt deserve to win that game.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 1:47 pm to jangalang
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I know they were without their QB and WRs but they had 14 or so more blue chippers than we did. On top of that our real blue chippers such as Faulk were only in their sophomore years. As that class progresses and more BCS come in experience and blue chippers rating should both reflect on the field.
Blue chip ratio is flawed in a game-to-game sense. Jackson Arnold was a 5-star and therefore helps their "ratio" because he was on their roster, but yet he didn't even play against us. The 3-star Michael Hawkins did. So Arnold being on the roster does nothing but inflate their ratio. It also becomes more wonky with the transfer portal and players coming and leaving every year. John Mateer was a low 3-star out of HS: does his addition now hurt Oklahoma's blue chip ratio? As far as I can tell the model doesn't even take into account transfer portal rankings yet, which obviously makes it highly flawed given how important the transfer portal has already become.
"An analysis in 2023 showed that almost every top team's Blue-Chip Ratio decreased when including transfers." - Bud Elliott (who created the "BCR")
Posted on 12/23/24 at 1:49 pm to metafour
I agree. I scanned ours earlier. We had guys like Holden Geriner inflating ours while Hunter was a 0.86 three star.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 1:50 pm to jangalang
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2. Thorne run
If PT didn’t pull the ball, Hunter walks in. There was nice hole, not the Oline’s fault.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 1:52 pm to jvilletiger25
lol so thanks for pointing out the OL can do their jobs even when the line is stacked.
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There was nice hole, not the Oline’s fault.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:01 pm to makersmark1
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How far are we from the “top 12?”
Optimistically?…at this point in time?
I’d say we’re hovering somewhere in the “mid-30’s”
But? I am more than a wee bit positively biased.
Granted, I’m looking at it more from a “glass-half-full” perspective through orange & blue colored glasses .
Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:01 pm to jangalang
I wasn’t the one blaming the Oline for shortcomings of this and last year…
Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:02 pm to jvilletiger25
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I wasn’t the one blaming the Oline for shortcomings of this and last year…
Worst. You were defending them...
Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:04 pm to SupperClubDrunkBus
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I’m looking at it more from a “glass-half-full”
Yeah, but who peed in the glass?
Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:23 pm to jangalang
Pointing out they were better than some people think they were isn't a sin. The odds were stacked against them most of the season. Once Percy lewis was benched pass pro slowly got better to the point we only allowed 3 sacks in the last three games and it's hard to definitively judge their performance in run blocking as we were running against stacked boxes most of the season.
They weren't good but he's got a strong argument when he says they're the best we've had in recent memory. Which could be indicative of motion in the right direction if you still want to get excited about the future of the program instead of looking for excuses for he who shall not be named.
I wouldn't hate getting rid of Thornton but I don't hate giving him one more year either.
They weren't good but he's got a strong argument when he says they're the best we've had in recent memory. Which could be indicative of motion in the right direction if you still want to get excited about the future of the program instead of looking for excuses for he who shall not be named.
I wouldn't hate getting rid of Thornton but I don't hate giving him one more year either.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:39 pm to makersmark1
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Yeah, but who peed in the glass?
Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:42 pm to The_SwAUggford
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They weren't good but he's got a strong argument when he says they're the best we've had in recent memory.
Remember 2 years ago when Tank was getting hit as soon as he took the handoff and Ashford was running for his life as soon as the ball was snapped? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:47 pm to SupperClubDrunkBus
For the love.
We were 5-7.
No position group played good. We have to get better in all aspects. There was no group that won us or lost us games. It was a team effort always. If we got good running back play we had passes bounce off WRs hands. If we were moving the ball we couldn’t punch it in the endzone. When we needed stops in the red zone or on 3rd downs we couldn’t get off the field. When momentum would swing our way we’d throw an interception. In obvious passing downs it wa almost an auto sack. We couldn’t convert 3rd and short and couldn’t stop teams from converting 3rd and short. We’d play call some of the dumbest plays on both sides of the ball at wrong times.
Total team effort. Need a total team effort to get back on track. That starts now and every day going forward.
We were 5-7.
No position group played good. We have to get better in all aspects. There was no group that won us or lost us games. It was a team effort always. If we got good running back play we had passes bounce off WRs hands. If we were moving the ball we couldn’t punch it in the endzone. When we needed stops in the red zone or on 3rd downs we couldn’t get off the field. When momentum would swing our way we’d throw an interception. In obvious passing downs it wa almost an auto sack. We couldn’t convert 3rd and short and couldn’t stop teams from converting 3rd and short. We’d play call some of the dumbest plays on both sides of the ball at wrong times.
Total team effort. Need a total team effort to get back on track. That starts now and every day going forward.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:52 pm to The_SwAUggford
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Pointing out they were better than some people think they were isn't a sin.
That isnt what you did. You called Thorne more deleterious than the OL.
Once Percy lewis was benched pass pro slowly got better to the point we only allowed 3 sacks in the last three games and it's hard to definitively judge their performance in run blocking as we were running against stacked boxes most of the season.
The OL had at least 3 penalties in the IB. No telling how many they had against A&M. Payton Thorne played well in those three games as well but crickets from you. Number 74 in sacks given up? Yeah theyre good... 53 QBR...The Worst!!!
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They weren't good but he's got a strong argument when he says they're the best we've had in recent memory. Which could be indicative of motion in the right direction if you still want to get excited about the future of the program instead of looking for excuses for he who shall not be named.
It's the balance of the offense that dictated whether the OL could protect. More often than not sacks always came in bunches when there was no threat to run. Such as in the end of games against Arky and Oklahoma.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 2:53 pm to CorchJay
I have been entertaining mental midgets apparently.
Posted on 12/23/24 at 3:01 pm to jangalang
The Worst 5 on offense according to PFF in the A&M game:
Bottom 5:
OL Tate Johnson 41.1 (six snaps)
OL Jeremiah Wright 51
TE Luke Deal 53.3
OL Connor Lew 53.7
OL Dillon Wade 56.6
Big Yikes!
Run blocking was another struggle for these players, as the highest run blocking grade among the group was a 58 by Wade. Auburn earned an overall run blocking grade of 56.1 in the game, one of its lowest this season.
Bottom 5:
OL Tate Johnson 41.1 (six snaps)
OL Jeremiah Wright 51
TE Luke Deal 53.3
OL Connor Lew 53.7
OL Dillon Wade 56.6
Big Yikes!
Run blocking was another struggle for these players, as the highest run blocking grade among the group was a 58 by Wade. Auburn earned an overall run blocking grade of 56.1 in the game, one of its lowest this season.
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 12/23/24 at 3:13 pm to CorchJay
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Need a total team effort to get back on track. That starts now and every day going forward.
Umm, yeahhh?
Well now that we gotta pay ‘em…
Probably gotta pay ‘em even more to stay if they perform well though any given fiscal cycle….I mean?…
…through any given “Season”, so we can keep them through another fiscal…cycle/season
“Total Team Effort”?…OOoohhh??
…That’s gonna cost us A LOT extra on today’s going “market rate” on the N.I.L. commodity index sector.
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 12/23/24 at 3:23 pm to jangalang
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That isnt what you did. You called Thorne more deleterious than the OL.
I've done both. And I'm right both ways. But that's not what its about this time. I'm trying to keep the PT talk minimal.
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The OL had at least 3 penalties in the IB. No telling how many they had against A&M. Payton Thorne played well in those three games as well but crickets from you. Number 74 in sacks given up? Yeah theyre good... 53 QBR...The Worst!!!
Never said they were good lol. Why are you trying to make this about ole boy again? I said my peace yesterday and I'm not in the mood to hop on that merry-go-round with you today. I'd probably puke. Straight up.
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It's the balance of the offense that dictated whether the OL could protect. More often than not sacks always came in bunches when there was no threat to run. Such as in the end of games against Arky and Oklahoma.
Yep
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