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ChexMix
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re: Homefield Apparel — Auburn line
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I like the implicit assumption here that white politicians DO have their constituents’ best interests at heart
you cant fricking read. Did i mention the color of the politicians? Try reading it again dumbass.

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I grew up in Montgomery politics and I can promise you there’s no difference between the vast majority of the politicians regardless of party lines
growing up in Montgomery is not a qualification for political wisdom

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Are we just going to sidestep the issue of school funding entirely, then? How do Montgomery public schools get funding?

Sound like something you should address with your local POLITICIAN.


TheSandman
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Youre the fool that believes Auburn has institutional racism. frick you
When I said I was fine multitasking with stats and making it personal, I was acquiescing under the assumption that you *wouldn’t* just revert to the latter with childish insults

Sorry that wasn’t clear


ChexMix
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re: Homefield Apparel — Auburn line
Calling you a fool is spot on. Auburn University is NOT a racist school and Im surprised this board allows that statement to go unchallenged besides me speaking up.


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TheSandman
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you cant fricking read. Did i mention the color of the politicians? Try reading it again dumbass
You’re latching onto a side issue in my statement to sidestep the point.
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growing up in Montgomery is not a qualification for political wisdom
Man, good thing I didn’t grow up in Montgomery.

I did, however, grow up in Montgomery political circles, considering my father was/is a state politician, which would give me enough personal experience with the folks in office to speak on the matter.
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Sound like something you should address with your local POLITICIAN
Let me ask again, maybe a bit clearer this time:

What are the primary means by which most public schools are funded? Here’s a hint: It’s slightly more complicated than simply putting the correct politician in office


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grew up in Montgomery political circles
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growing up in Montgomery
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you cant fricking read
lol
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Pettifogger
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re: Homefield Apparel — Auburn line
*see that the retro Auburn clothing brand thread jumped from one page to three*

"oh shite they must have released early"

Nope, just bitching about the Unity shirt

carry on


HailToTheChiz
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CaptainBrannigan
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re: Homefield Apparel — Auburn line
Check to see response to witty comment...and thread is a shite show



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CorchJay
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have you seen the videos of police brutality against black people that flood social media every few weeks?


No actually I haven't seen that at all. What I have seen is people (regardless of color) breaking the law, resisting arrest, threatening cops and people, destroying property... need I go on??

Point me to one video of racism from the police? Feel free to bring any video link here and I'll watch it an give my views on it.

George Floyd - Multiple felon done his time got out and back on the streets doing drugs, I'm sure the police were called for a reason regardless if that reason warranted anyone dying I don't think so but if you watch the entire video the officers were respectful and was attempting to put him in the back of the car. Floyd was not going to get in the car, was saying he couldn't breath before even being but on the ground, Floyd asked to be put on the ground to not be put in the car. He died from a heart attack from overdose of fentanyl as noted in the first medical examiners report. Was the knee on the neck proper training I have no idea because I'm not police training expert.

Jacob Blake - an accused rapist, domestic abuser, breaking a restraining order, breaking many laws and the victim called the police. Police show up and are going to arrest him. He fights off 3 cops, he is tasered and keeps going, is reaching into the floor board of the car and gets shot. A knife is found in the floorboard of the car.

Rayshard Brooks - Restaurant called the police. Police come up and find him passed out in the wendy's drive thru. For 20 minutes appx. the officers are respectful and give him a field sobriety test. Obviously he fails. They go to put the cuffs on him for DUI and he fights back, grabs one police officers taser and takes off, the other cop gives chase and is fired upon by Brooks, the police pulls his gun and shoots. That's police brutality?

Breonna Taylor - There is no video. Breonna Taylor's residence had a no knock search warrant issued against it and her. The police through their statements knock announce, knock again, then burst through the door. When the police turn toward the bedroom they are fired upon and return fire. That police brutality as well?

Daniel Prude - Drugged out and running around the town naked. Police engage, he starts spitting on the cops and claiming he has covid. They put a spit mask on him. It's mesh and a normal police practice for all people that are spitting on the police. He is taken down to the ground and cuffed. There is no abuse committed on the guy. He dies while being cuffed. Such a ridiculous case that I haven't studied what the medical examiner deemed the cause of death.

So I just went through some of the recent ones. The only one that could even be considered outside some possible norms is the George Floyd one. They should have just shoved his tail in the back and slammed the doors but he would not absolutely would not get in the car.

Don't break the law, don't resist arrest, do obey lawful commands from the police. Profit.

I'll patiently wait for all these police brutality videos you mentioned because it should be so easy to come up with some because as you said there is a "flood" of them.

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BranTheHuman2
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RACISM IS NOT A PROBLEM AT AUBURN UNIVERSITY. Stop pretending it i


Tell that to my fellow black alumni who have been speaking out for years. There's 150 posts (with many more comments) on the BlackAtAuburn Instagram that proves you wrong.

Hell, I've heard three drive-by N-words thrown at back students during my time at Auburn. Three separate events. It makes me sick. Stop ignoring people that are begging for you to listen.


TheSandman
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re: Homefield Apparel — Auburn line
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What I have seen is people (regardless of color) breaking the law, resisting arrest, threatening cops and people, destroying property
none of which justify the use of lethal force and thus administering capital punishment without due process

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police brutality against black people
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No actually I haven't seen that at all
then you're not paying attention

LINK


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CorchJay
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No lethal force was used unwarranted in any of the cases I mention above. That's the issue. What lethal force was used when it wasn't warranted?

I'm paying plenty of attention and your link is to a study... show me this flood of videos so I can see for myself because I bring in the real facts from FBI stats that shows that the police are 18.5 times to be killed then citizens. That 50% of all violent crimes(murder/rape/etc) are committed by 6% of the population. But I'm just bring facts not emotion.

Still waiting on these flood of videos of racism and police brutality from the police!!!!! If you have none just say you got me bro it's ok really it is. Sorry I burst your bubble


TheSandman
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unwarranted
It's never warranted. It's a violation of due process.

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Still waiting on these flood of videos of racism and police brutality from the police!!!!! If you have none just say you got me bro it's ok really it is. Sorry I burst your bubble
lmao

here's a Twitter thread concerning police brutality in general, though most are related to *peaceful* BLM protests

LINK

And here's a Twitter bot that tracks videoed incidents of police brutality, and it's pretty easy to see how many of the ones unrelated to the BLM protests involve black people vs white people

LINK

*Note: I don't agree with the generalization made in the bot's handle, but that doesn't speak against the data collection itself


CorchJay
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Stop ignoring people that are begging for you to listen.


Are we supposed to listen to ignorance because listening to the "woke" people is just ignorance in my opinion. Lebron James? Stephen A. Smith? Don Lemon? Who's the authority we are supposed to listen to? The ones that are so proud of Jacob Blake? The ones that made a martyr out of George Floyd? No clue and don't care what color sandman is because it doesn't matter to me I'm offering to have a legit conversation about his remarks about police brutality.

I've heard all the arguments. Black people are watched more in stores... bull shite everyone is watched white and black. Plus the big stores study body behavior to pick on someone acting suspect. I'm pulled over because I'm black more then white people. How can a black person speak for a white person if a white person can't speak for a black person. Plus there is no evidence to support a claim that driving while black gets you pulled over more often.

Don't get me started on systemic racism? What system is in place that is racist? Seriously which one. Don't give me anything from before 1970. We are talking about today. If there are systems in place to keep black people down the systems suck because there are over 800,000 black millionaires in the US.
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CorchJay
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It's never warranted. It's a violation of due process.


Were the policemen's lives in danger in the cases where they used weapons? You're wrong. Police are there to protect the citizens and provide law and "order". Someone acting crazy with a gun, taser, knife is forfeiting there right to live. If you disagree then your opinion is against all norms of society and definitely doesn't constitute as police brutality.

I'm gonna view your links but I don't have twitter acct so I'll view what I can an come back and comment


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TheSandman
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What system is in place that is racist? Seriously which one.
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We are talking about today.
I'm still waiting on someone to answer my questions about the public education system, because those stats are a whole lot of fun

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If their systems in place to keep black people down the systems suck because there are over 800,000 black millionaires in the US
which accounts for approximately 8% of all US millionaires, while black people account for somewhere between 13.4-16.5% (depending on the exact breakdown of mixed-race people) of the US population, meaning they're significantly underrepresented in that category as well

ETA: Removed the smartalec grammar note because there's clearly actual discussion now; sorry about the snippiness haha
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CorchJay
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I watched the links. If you think pepper spraying "mostly peaceful riots" is police brutality you are seriously deranged. The one video of the pittsburg policeman cuffing the guy saying something about the blue line mask the police was wearing is suspect for sure but there is no context at all about what happened prior and that guy is white not black. The rest of the videos I saw on the link were police dealing with "mostly peaceful rioters". Saw one shirtless black male on the ground cuffed, again no context. Being cuffed isn't police brutality.

I'll address your school funding stuff in a minute.


TheSandman
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I watched the links. If you think pepper spraying "mostly peaceful riots" is police brutality you are seriously deranged. The one video of the pittsburg policeman cuffing the guy saying something about the blue line mask the police was wearing is suspect for sure but there is no context at all about what happened prior and that guy is white not black. The rest of the videos I saw on the link were police dealing with "mostly peaceful rioters". Saw one shirtless black male on the ground cuffed, again no context. Being cuffed isn't police brutality.
I provided the article first because the videos are more meant to serve as coloring/background for the stats themselves. Those should provide enough context to "read" the videos accordingly.

I disagree about the definition of police brutality there, and I imagine there's no way to reach any common point of departure in this regard.


CorchJay
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I have no idea and definitely not going to study the issue of funding or percentages of what in Montgomery city schools. If you have facts and figures just post them here. I trust you will bring accurate facts and figures.

Generally each school district gets a general fund due to population from the state and fed. Other then that some city schools have their own county/city funding. Property taxes in most districts set aside a portion to go to education. All all districts equal? nope but not all taxes paid are equal either.

I can give you a perfect example of bias just not of racist bias. I grew up in Shelby County, I went to high school in the poorest school in the county. Vincent High. There were 2 districts created within the county for funding at the time I was in school could be the same now. The 2 districts were split like this, Vincent in one district and all other schools in another district. Why? Number of votes and the economics of the area. Vincent wasn't the only school that had large number of minority students, montevallo, calera, and thompson all did as well. Yet Vincent got a lesser percentage because of the number of people to vote on that side of the county and the lack of money in the area. That's life. Is it fair? No. But when I left there I didn't look back other then visiting my mom and dad. Did I do my part to help the school, nope I just pushed it down to the next generation. Does it bother me that I didn't? No if someone is concerned enough and sounds like you are the get a group together to generate money for what ever school system you want as long as you run the organization with no fluff then you'll probably get donors each year to your cause and grow your movement. Some people out there are begging to virtue signal at this time would be a great time to cash in on it. I'm being serious if your intentions are good.


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CorchJay
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re: Homefield Apparel — Auburn line
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I disagree about the definition of police brutality there, and I imagine there's no way to reach any common point of departure in this regard


Civil discord is what is needed. And yes I agree that we will not agree on what police brutality is. Maybe that is a bigger discussion then police brutality on blacks.

I'll state my case and will offer you the last response if you want it.

If a person is threatening someone or a policeman's life then in my opinion they forfeit their right to life in the process. It's as simple as self defense and if it's another person not the police officer that is being threatened then the police has the right to take action in place of the victim if the actions are taking place at that time.

Whatever tools be it billy club, mace, pepper spray, taser, spit mask, zip ties, cuffs, flashlight, gun... that's approved for use by that department should be ok to use if needed by a policeman if there is a need. Obviously if you're breaking the law there will be consequences, if you resist arrest there will be great consequence. Police are trained, and for good reason, to bring overwhelming force when force is being brought upon them. There are crappy cops out there. I'm sure there are racist cops out there. But in no way are cops out hunting down young black men. End of rant. Sandman the pleasure has been mine. You can rebut without my interruption.
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BuckFama334
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Montgomery City Schools are complete shite.

Their schools are better publicly funded than both surrounding Autauga and Elmore county schools, two of the lowest funded school systems in the state. Yet these two systems thrive academically.

MGM schools are riddled with corruption and crime. There was a recent theft/embezzlement situation that amounted to over $700k. Misappropriated funds were used on things like liquor and strip clubs.

If I was forced to live in Montgomery, my kids would definitely go to private school. If you check Teach Alabama, there are probably 50 open teaching jobs in MGM because nobody wants to teach there.

The demographics in Montgomery are around 80/20 black to white now. I am sure that it is Whitey's fault that their schools and city suck though.

Damn white devils ruin everything...


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