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re: Head Coach Carnell Williams

Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:51 pm to
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:51 pm to
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People are driven by emotion. Its a bad thing but its a huge part of what is going on with society


Our society is in a feminine age, ruled by emotion and lacking reason.
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 5:52 pm
Posted by Tigers of War
Ewor
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 6:27 pm to
Ofc They want us to hire him. He has a few years to grind before being a HC period and several more beyond if it were to be at Auburn. I’m surprised at the amount of AU fans that are this delusional tbh. There’s zero chance of it happening and IF it did it’d be terrible for him, not to mention Auburn.

After what we’ve witnessed the last few years we need a big name with experience at this level. Anything less more than likely puts us further behind. I want AU back to competing for the conference regularly with playoff appearances added now. Auburn has to much going for it to not be in the hunt consistently.
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 6:29 pm
Posted by TemperdTiger
Montgomery, AL
Member since Oct 2013
2292 posts
Posted on 11/15/22 at 8:41 am to
honestly I just had a good time enjoying Auburn last Saturday, and it hasn't been that way in a while. Image from reddit though.

This post was edited on 11/15/22 at 8:42 am
Posted by vandelay industries
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Member since May 2012
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Posted on 11/15/22 at 11:13 pm to
I'd like Caddy to publicly diffuse the "Caddy for HC" sentiment before it spirals out of control. Too many people fueled with emotion atm...
Posted by AuburnTigers
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Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 11/15/22 at 11:19 pm to
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I'd like Caddy to publicly diffuse the "Caddy for HC" sentiment before it spirals out of control. Too many people fueled with emotion atm...


no one is serious about it. Auburn spring boarded his career with the HC interim tag. Thats it. Lane Kiffin ftw
Posted by vandelay industries
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Member since May 2012
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Posted on 11/15/22 at 11:29 pm to
Hope you're right. Been reading that the players are starting to get vocal about it, but for all I know it's just click bait nonsense. I have seen a fair amount of sunshine pump-iness on social media tho, which irritates me to no end...
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
53589 posts
Posted on 11/15/22 at 11:55 pm to
I'm convinced it's a REC conspiracy. I've never heard so many dumb arse "fans" calling in about him as our HC. Folks are truly detached from reality.

Making him suddenly HC of this shite show would be a disservice to Caddy. We don't want him to faceplant at his first job
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
69388 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 6:34 am to
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I have seen a fair amount of sunshine pump-iness on social media tho, which irritates me to no end...



You have been on the Auburn Freaks Facebook page haven't you baw.

Posted by Niner
Member since Apr 2019
2031 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 7:36 am to
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I've never heard so many dumb arse "fans" calling in about him as our HC.
Calm down there turbo. Keep in mind the majority - no...VAST majority of the Auburn fan base doesn't follow or keep up or study Auburn football like we do. They only see his personality and the record. They don't look at in-game coaching decisions, for example, with the scrutiny we do. So if they just see Caddy's on-field interview, Auburn social media posts, and the like, hell yea they would be excited about him being the HC - again - if they knew very little about anything else Auburn football (or college football for that matter).

Before you call anyone else a dumb arse "fan", just keep the perspective.
Posted by vandelay industries
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Posted on 11/16/22 at 8:33 am to
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You have been on the Auburn Freaks Facebook page haven't you baw.


No, but a few posts appearing on my own Facebook feed are giving them a run for their money
Posted by vandelay industries
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Posted on 11/16/22 at 8:36 am to
Could you imagine the overkill of chatter if we'd beaten Miss State and were playing for bowl eligibility Saturday?
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
69388 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 11:32 am to
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No, but a few posts appearing on my own Facebook feed are giving them a run for their money



That page will give you a headache in 5 mins. The delusion there is something I truly can’t believe.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 11/16/22 at 1:08 pm to
I should have clarified that my quotes meant I feel these callers claiming to be Auburn fans are really not Auburn fans

But you are correct
Posted by BigBlueAU
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Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 11/16/22 at 1:20 pm to
Some lower tier school should do themselves a huge favor by offering Caddy a HC job. This experience has definitely supercharged his HC career if he wants it.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
53589 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 2:56 pm to
Should be like FIU or FAU
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4348 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:20 pm to
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Some lower tier school should do themselves a huge favor by offering Caddy a HC job. This experience has definitely supercharged his HC career if he wants it.



Has it?

What he has basically done is let the position coaches and coordinators delegate everything, because he has no other choice in the matter.

If you watch during the game, he has a dozen people running up to him with a binder and telling him what do to any time there is an actual coaching decision to be made. It is blatantly obvious that he is out of his element and is being fed instructions.

How does any of this imply that he is even ready for a LOWER TIER job? He is doing his best and is doing all hye is being asked to do, but even these takes are extremely premature. It could have been anyone else on this staff in this position, and from an actual "COACHING" perspective, they could be doing the exact same things he is doing. So are all of these guys now ready to get a shot somewhere else as a HC at a lower tier school?

Will Friend could do what Cadillac is doing. Should he be a HC somewhere lol? And by this I mean the actual coaching aspect, not the pre and post-game interviews or soundbites. Most of what Cadillac is doing "well" is fueled by his reputation or popularity within this university. If he goes and becomes the HC at FAU or something, then none of those things translate. Then it becomes an outright test of his actual coaching competency.
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
69388 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 3:55 pm to
quote:

Some lower tier school should do themselves a huge favor by offering Caddy a HC job. This experience has definitely supercharged his HC career if he wants it.




I love the guy but you guys need to stop being so emotional about this. He may be a great coach one day but not yet. Hell, in the Mississippi State game, his bad coaching decisions ended up costing us the game. That was his very first game at head coach. I'm not saying he can't do it I'm just saying that he has no experience and he needs to learn not to leave points on the field.
Posted by BigBlueAU
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Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 11/17/22 at 11:48 am to
Not emotional about that comment at all. No one on the planet saw Caddy as a HC including him. He said so himself. Now we've so seen him in that role and see him doing well when it comes to letting his coaches coach, inspiring players to give great effort, promoting the program and connecting with the fan base. Experience counts even in an interim role. There is still more to learn but he's shown he has the tools to succeed. That's how it works in every industry. Some lower tier program would do well with him.
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4348 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 12:07 pm to
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Not emotional about that comment at all. No one on the planet saw Caddy as a HC including him. He said so himself. Now we've so seen him in that role and see him doing well when it comes to letting his coaches coach, inspiring players to give great effort, promoting the program and connecting with the fan base. Experience counts even in an interim role. There is still more to learn but he's shown he has the tools to succeed. That's how it works in every industry. Some lower tier program would do well with him.


You are being entirely emotional:

1) "He's done a good job letting his coaches coach". Ok, but that is because he has no other option as he himself has little experience and no play-calling or game-planning experience (he is a RB coach for fricks sake). By the way, he inherited these coaches. Who is he going to hire at any small-school? He has no coaching network and little to no experience. He has not worked anywhere else apart from Auburn. Hiring a staff is one of the most important parts of being a HC; and it's hard to imagine that a no-experience underqualified guy with little to no coaching network is going to have the sellability to hire competent assistants. A small school isn't going to have the resources for him to go hire a great OC or DC - and this is pivotal because he is neither himself.

2) "Inspiring players to give great effort, promoting the program and connecting with the fan base." Dude, he can connect to the fanbase here because he is a beloved all-time great player who played at this school. He can inspire the players because he played at Auburn, and in fact, ALL OF THESE PLAYERS ALREADY KNOW HIM as he has been coaching here the entire time. Let's pretend he goes to FAU: none of the players know him, nor does the fanbase give a shite that his name is "Cadillac Williams". He can't just smile and say something about playing hard and now everyone is bought in. You miss the point completely: this works here because he is an extension of Auburn and is "family".

By the way, all of these secondary traits (inspiring players, being a lovable guy) are the first things that go out the window once the losses start piling up. Even Bryan Harsin sounded good with the same messaging when he came in here. He even tricked most of the players too, who were believing his nonsense. This shite goes out the window once the ACTUAL coaching duties are proven to be insufficient.

3) "There is still more to learn but he's shown he has the tools to succeed." Again, he hasn't proven any of the ACTUAL important coaching metrics that one would consider when making a hire. You are completely out to lunch. Has he proven that he actually has a fundamental understanding of X's and O's and game-management? No, he hasn't. Has he proven that he has a plan and the connections required to hire a competent football staff? No, he hasn't. These are the things that actually matter long-term. Has he proven that he is an elite recruiter? He has actually only been "good" so far and is actually pretty average by SEC standards. The recent uptick that you see in our recruiting is driven by off-field staff and NIL deployment and it was ramping up before Harsin was even fired.
Posted by awestruck
Member since Jan 2015
13189 posts
Posted on 11/17/22 at 12:25 pm to
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That was his very first game at head coach. I'm not saying he can't do it I'm just saying that he has no experience
As a HC he's yet to grow any coaching pubic hair.





IE: He knows what he wants but not to go about it.
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