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Posted on 10/30/19 at 12:56 pm to LanierSpots
Posted on 10/30/19 at 12:56 pm to LanierSpots
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If Gus promised him something that he didnt deliver, and didnt have a explanation for it, thats one thing but none of us know that.
I see that point, but this is a message board and based on the coach speak we've heard from Gus it isn't hard to see he has planned to use Joey and for whatever reason hasn't followed through on that plan. A QB room is a small place and I find it hard to believe those plans weren't articulated to Joey when he was informed he lost the starting job race and then reiterated when Gus openly said he should have used Joey more a few weeks back.
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Posted on 10/30/19 at 1:02 pm to Pettifogger
Who knows what expectations were layed on Joey and what he had. None of us.
I said at the beginning fo the spring that we were in the best position at quarterback that we have been in many years. But it would end up one of the scariest.
You start with 3 guys that could probably play. Two freshmen who are basically on the same year and a junior who has 2 years left to play. Narrowing it down to JG and BN caused Willis to transfer. I think everyone expected that. He was not going to site his last two years with those two guys in front of him.
Now Nix gets the job and Joey wants to play. They are the same year so just like 50 other college quarterbacks in the exact same position, he leaves. We all knew it was going to happen. No need for everyone to be so emotional. It would have been nice to see him stay one more month but that didnt happen.
I agree with not playing him Saturday. We were in that game the entire game. The offense was struggling but Joey has NO real experience in that situation so far and that made it tough to throw him out there Saturday in that situation, in that place, just to "see if he could do it".
If Gus would have put him in and he failed, fans would have melted to the bone. "He didnt put him in a good position". I think it was the right call not using him against LSU.
Now, I would have liked to see Joey play the first half again Ole Miss Saturday. Not a few plays but the entire half. Then make a decision at half what to do from there.
I said at the beginning fo the spring that we were in the best position at quarterback that we have been in many years. But it would end up one of the scariest.
You start with 3 guys that could probably play. Two freshmen who are basically on the same year and a junior who has 2 years left to play. Narrowing it down to JG and BN caused Willis to transfer. I think everyone expected that. He was not going to site his last two years with those two guys in front of him.
Now Nix gets the job and Joey wants to play. They are the same year so just like 50 other college quarterbacks in the exact same position, he leaves. We all knew it was going to happen. No need for everyone to be so emotional. It would have been nice to see him stay one more month but that didnt happen.
I agree with not playing him Saturday. We were in that game the entire game. The offense was struggling but Joey has NO real experience in that situation so far and that made it tough to throw him out there Saturday in that situation, in that place, just to "see if he could do it".
If Gus would have put him in and he failed, fans would have melted to the bone. "He didnt put him in a good position". I think it was the right call not using him against LSU.
Now, I would have liked to see Joey play the first half again Ole Miss Saturday. Not a few plays but the entire half. Then make a decision at half what to do from there.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 1:05 pm to Tigerman97
Agreed. I don't think Gus is a bad person so I highly doubt he gave some pitch to Gatewood that was just blatantly false/misleading, at least on purpose.
But we all know Gus pledges to do things that he seemingly makes no effort to ultimately do. A lot of coaches do that. Which is why it seems so plausible that Joey got some pitch like "hey stick around, we'll use your talents, you'll be security for Nix and we'll make sure you're developing and getting time. That'll be good for you and us, whether it's for our program or for a future elsewhere."
And based solely on what I see from afar, if that was the deal (or something along those lines), I can see why Joey might feel Gus wasn't holding up his end of it.
But we all know Gus pledges to do things that he seemingly makes no effort to ultimately do. A lot of coaches do that. Which is why it seems so plausible that Joey got some pitch like "hey stick around, we'll use your talents, you'll be security for Nix and we'll make sure you're developing and getting time. That'll be good for you and us, whether it's for our program or for a future elsewhere."
And based solely on what I see from afar, if that was the deal (or something along those lines), I can see why Joey might feel Gus wasn't holding up his end of it.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 1:06 pm to Tigerman97
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I see that point, but this is a message board and based on the coach speak we've heard from Gus it isn't hard to see he has planned to use Joey and for whatever reason hasn't followed through on that plan. A QB room is a small place and I find it hard to believe those plans weren't articulated to Joey when he was informed he lost the starting job race and then reiterated when Gus openly said he should have used Joey more a few weeks back.
Who knows what he told him. He should not need a hand holding. He lost the starting job which means his playing time will be very limited. Im sure the coaches tried to keep his spirits up, you never know when he will have to take over. And you know they were aware as soon as they announced Bo as the starter that Joey would transfer. It was just a matter of when?
I guess they could have just told him that he wont be starting so he may as well transfer. Is that what people wanted him to tell him?
Posted on 10/30/19 at 1:07 pm to Tigerman97
quote:Sadly, this.
A QB room is a small place and I find it hard to believe those plans weren't articulated to Joey when he was informed he lost the starting job race and then reiterated when Gus openly said he should have used Joey more a few weeks back.
I'm afraid this may finally be the turning point for me in my support of Gustav. Regardless of what he told Joey privately, or in front of the other QBs, after the UF game he specifically said he should have used Joey more in short yardage situations.
He played a good bit two weeks later in the Arky blowout, leading the team to 3 TDs in the 4 possessions in which he participated. In his lone unsuccessful turn under center, he was the victim of a bad spot on 3rd and one and then got submarined for a 2 yard loss on 4th and inches, thanks in part to a missed block on the OL. I, along with most everyone else, figured Gustav was good to his word and would bring Joey in when appropriate against LSU.
Then he gets one snap, even as Bo struggled worse than he did in Gainesville.
I imagine that neither Bo, Cord, nor any of the walkons were totally surprised by Joey's decision.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 1:08 pm to LanierSpots
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I agree with not playing him Saturday. We were in that game the entire game. The offense was struggling but Joey has NO real experience in that situation so far and that made it tough to throw him out there Saturday in that situation, in that place, just to "see if he could do it".
This stuff is always hard to talk about in retrospect. I think you make a good case here.
But if Joey had been running a series or two per game all year (maybe he should, maybe not), then your breakdown of that decision looks a lot different.
In other words, if I'm Gatewood maybe my reaction is "if not now, when? It's always next week."
Posted on 10/30/19 at 1:11 pm to Pettifogger
I’m aware of Nix statline, but I never felt like he was costing us the game like I did against Florida. Now sure, you could argue we needed a playmaker to carry us to the next level and maybe changing to a power run attack with Joey would have been better but I nor Gus are convinced Joey is that guy.
This post was edited on 10/30/19 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 10/30/19 at 1:12 pm to jangalang
quote:Wasn't LSU spying him Saturday? I could have sworn the CBS announcers showed on a replay where LSU spied him on a play, because Bo pulled it down and started to run but had to go out of bounds after just a yard or two because there was a defender right on him.
Have you seen a spy follow him around at all?
Posted on 10/30/19 at 1:12 pm to auburnnyc94
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Bo Nix is a TF and struggling against elite competition. He has been very, very good against lesser competition thus far and shown his talent.
This is my take on it as well. Nix has struggled against number 1 an number 6 in the country.
As far as Joey leaving now, I dont think it is the right call. Has he gotten a fair shake? Probably not since I'm of the opinion Bo should have been made to watch a few series in the losses. That being said, it is 100% better he stay and keep practicing at least. And shite happens while playing football. He was cemented as the backup and was one play away from being the starter. I just dont understand the decision to leave now instead of after the season. I was brought up to beleive if you start something, you see it through till the end. We all knew he was leaving anyway. It just doesnt seem right to me to do it now.
In any case, I wish him the best and hope he finds success in whatever he chooses to do the rest of his career because he is a good guy.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 1:12 pm to LanierSpots
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I agree with not playing him Saturday. We were in that game the entire game. The offense was struggling but Joey has NO real experience in that situation so far and that made it tough to throw him out there Saturday in that situation, in that place, just to "see if he could do it".
I also agree with not playing him Saturday...but I did feel like it wouldn't of hurt either.
My main issue with Gus and the reason I believe most other coaches would have handled our particular situation different is...Assuming Gus was telling the truth and Joey was really 1B and he did plan to have a series/packages for him each week then I believe most coaches would have followed through on that in every game at some point.
If he wasn't really 1B and Gus only said all that in an attempt to keep him on the team this season as a back-up then it is a further reflection of Gus' weakness as a strategic leader. Just say Bo's our guy, we will use Joey if we need him. Morale matters.
It would have been easier to play him Saturday if you had used him in the manner you planned to use him in the previous 7 games or maybe you'd know based on game film that the preseason plan of giving Joey series/packages sucked and Bo was our only option.
This post was edited on 10/30/19 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 10/30/19 at 1:12 pm to rbWarEagle
Looks like they installed a goal line package for him after the Florida loss. In the LSU clip JG instinctively starts running out to the field without asking Gus, and without Gus seeking him out. So it might be that they installed a certain goal line package for him if the yardage and down were right, but for whatever reason Gus intervened. JG also threw a TD goal line pass against Arkansas the previous week.
JG Gus
JG Gus
Posted on 10/30/19 at 1:13 pm to Pettifogger
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But if Joey had been running a series or two per game all year (maybe he should, maybe not), then your breakdown of that decision looks a lot different.
I would have liked to see this way more that what we saw. Id like to see him come in and run a complete series instead of just a play or two. That keeps from disrupting the offense.
But other than Ark and Miss St, we have not been in any games that we were not fighting for. Its hard to just "try things" when you are in a dog fight like we were with Oregon, Florida and LSU.
But I would have liked to see him play some complete series early in the games with the starters. That would have been nice to see. Maybe they were worried about breaking Nix's confidence. Who knows. I think there is more to it than just "coaches are idiots".
Some of the same guys that are whining and crying today are the same ones that cried about Roc Thomas and Asa Martin not getting playing time. The back ups are always their favorite players
Posted on 10/30/19 at 1:17 pm to Tigerman97
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Just say Bo's our guy, we will use Joey if we need him.
If they tell him that in the spring, he leave immediately. Id be pretty sure of that.
There is no winning alternative for coaches with this transfer portal. Not with Qb's.
For some reason, I just dont believe Gus had any confidence in Joey taking over in a big moment like the LSU or UF game where we were in the games. Just seems like he had a plan to stay with Nix and not break stride.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 1:19 pm to LanierSpots
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But other than Ark and Miss St, we have not been in any games that we were not fighting for. Its hard to just "try things" when you are in a dog fight like we were with Oregon, Florida and LSU.
I get this argument as well.
The flip side is that in LSU and UF the offense was largely and consistently ineffective with Nix at the helm. The choice is tough, I agree. It's sort of like "we're a good Nix throw away from winning this game" - although that's really the product of the defense more than Nix managing the game. All Nix is doing is not screwing up, at least some of the time. So in reality, we're a broken tackle by Joey away from winning the game too.
Anyway, I think the "it's too close to try anything new" argument makes a lot more sense when it's Stidham and a young backup. When it's a true freshman who is already digging us into holes and his young backup, I think it's a little less compelling.
But you're not really saying anything I differ on, this is all just for sport anyway.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 1:19 pm to Pettifogger
quote:Hate to continue to bring this up, but that's why Saban didn't hesitate to bring Tua in on the game's biggest stage in the 2017 CFCG. He had already played extensively in 8 games.
But if Joey had been running a series or two per game all year (maybe he should, maybe not), then your breakdown of that decision looks a lot different.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 1:21 pm to LanierSpots
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Some of the same guys that are whining and crying today are the same ones that cried about Roc Thomas and Asa Martin not getting playing time.
To be fair to my past post...I've never cried over playing time. Probably defended Gus more than most concerning his choices. I believed at times last year Stidham should have sat for Malik but never once did I see Malik run our O competently in the limited manner I've witnessed Joey run our O. I also never heard Gus offer public support statements about his back up the way he has this season with Joey.
I have a theory Gus gets to emotional and gets lost in game. He's not the first, nor will he be the last coach with this issue. However, you can tell he's not calm and calculated. He's emotional and prone to be swayed strategically by his emotion.
As was said in this thread I also believe Gus is a good man and I don't believe he lies to a player concerning a plan purposely. I suspect he goes to bed at night with a head full of good intentions but those get lost in the confusion of his mind under heat.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 1:22 pm to IAmNERD
I haven't read through this entire thread yet so I apologize if this has been discussed. With Joey being well-liked by everyone in the locker room, as has been reported, I really hope this isnt the catalyst to Gus and the staff losing this team. Something like this is about as close to worst case scenario in the middle of a football season to team morale as you can get. We are one play away now from a 25 year old minor league baseball washout leading this offense onto the field. With 5'11" 184 lb walk on backing him. Not ideal to say the least.
Hopefully there is enough leadership on this team to keep this thing from completely going down the drain. It sure seems to be circling the drain right now though. I think this team is way to talented to go down a la the 2012 team, but 10-2 or 9-3 are certainly still on the table.
I'd hate to see guys like Marlon and Derrick go out on a low note where the team has quit. And say what you want about Gus (he deserves it), but he has never completely lost a team in his tenure here. So maybe they can end this thing strong.
Hopefully there is enough leadership on this team to keep this thing from completely going down the drain. It sure seems to be circling the drain right now though. I think this team is way to talented to go down a la the 2012 team, but 10-2 or 9-3 are certainly still on the table.
I'd hate to see guys like Marlon and Derrick go out on a low note where the team has quit. And say what you want about Gus (he deserves it), but he has never completely lost a team in his tenure here. So maybe they can end this thing strong.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 1:23 pm to FearlessFreep
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Hate to continue to bring this up, but that's why Saban didn't hesitate to bring Tua in on the game's biggest stage in the 2017 CFCG. He had already played extensively in 8 games.
So we are comparing Joey now to Tua?
I get your point but its not the same thing. Its similar to the UGA fans asking why we dont just let 3 or 4 running backs play each game like they do. Maybe it is because we do not have 4, 5* running backs on the bench.
There is a lot of difference.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 1:23 pm to LanierSpots
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If they tell him that in the spring, he leave immediately. Id be pretty sure of that.
I agree. I also don't believe Gus that that about Joey. I believe Gus has some plan for him in his mind but he lacks the courage of his convictions as it pertains to calling plays in CFB.
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For some reason, I just dont believe Gus had any confidence in Joey taking over in a big moment like the LSU or UF game where we were in the games. Just seems like he had a plan to stay with Nix and not break stride.
As you mentioned this honestly is fair. By not giving Joey the proper series/packages early and often he wasn't able to fairly insert him against either UF or LSU. That's still on Gus and is a reflection of his pour roster management.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 1:24 pm to FearlessFreep
Helps when you have an established QB that doesn’t need reps and other up by 30+ each game at half
It’s just not the same
It’s just not the same
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