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re: Frick it. Jang’s thoughts
Posted on 9/19/21 at 1:42 pm to alpinetiger
Posted on 9/19/21 at 1:42 pm to alpinetiger
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Disagree on the defense. Aranda had this same issue at LSU when he took over for Pelini (or Steele?). We played man almost exclusively under Steele, and Mason plays zone almost as frequently. IIRC it took LSU's defense about 1/2-3/4 of the season to figure things out. If I were to take issue with something it would be why Mason decided to rush three 75% of the time, but once you start questioning coaching strategy decisions you (I) lose the plot.
I'm not happy that we lost, but there were probably 4-5 plays that made the difference in the W or L. We are a 10+ win football team IMO.
And Jarquez HunHunter may be better than Tank. Sheesh.
You are correct on Aranda, it took a while but once it clicked they were lights out. I guess the frustration is, cant we ease into it? It was obvious from the State game, when we played mostly zone, that we were not grasping it.
And you are right about Hunter, and thats one scary backfield to face eh?
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Posted on 9/19/21 at 2:29 pm to trinidadtiger
quote:I don't think so. I think you have to learn zone by playing it when there are live bullets. This is a completely different philosophy than Steele, and if we can master it it will result in more turnovers like Mason at Stanford. This doesn't even mention the 2-gap responsibility of the DL.
I guess the frustration is, cant we ease into it?
Posted on 9/19/21 at 4:28 pm to Rhino5
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That fade pass to the end game was so deflating.
Just gonna clarify this for everyone since this keeps getting repeated…
That fade pass did NOT end the game. A puzzling seam route when we should have been throwing to the EZ for a hopeful miracle catch ended the game.
The fade pass pretty much ended any realistic CHANCE we had to win the game, but it did not end the game.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 6:29 pm to jangalang
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A 4 point game turned into a 1 point game with plenty of time to spare.
And a touchdown would have given us the lead.
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You saw Tank barely get back fo the LOS a couple of times.
From your own "thoughts",
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Jarquez and Tank are the lifeblood of our offense. Pound the lines over and over again
So just because he got stopped on the previous play we shouldn't run Tank in short yardage anymore? Or are we supposed to pound the lines? Make up your mind.
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There could’ve been a third time and YOU would be complaining that we didn’t get the 3 points.
100% incorrect. It never even occurred to me we wouldn't go for it during the quarter change. That was Gus as hell and not the attitude I want to see from our coach. The only way I would have complained is if we went for it and threw a fade to a 6' tall inexperienced receiver.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 6:38 pm to RandySavage
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And a touchdown would have given us the lead.
Sure. Assuming we were fortunate in a series of events including converting the 4th down and then later scoring a TD.
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So just because he got stopped on the previous play we shouldn't run Tank in short yardage anymore? Or are we supposed to pound the lines? Make up your mind.
I don’t have to make up my mind. Take the points. I never said not run Tank in short yardage anymore. Now you’re just playing stupid.
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100% incorrect. It never even occurred to me we wouldn't go for it during the quarter change.
I honestly don’t know why we would go for it.
Way too early to be going for it when we have a kicker that can give us 3 points. That’s not really a show of confidence either…Posted on 9/19/21 at 6:44 pm to jangalang
Bottom line: Even our defense played good enough to win. PSU had 386 yards of offense. That is a pretty good defensive stat in modern pass happy college football, especially against a top 10 team on the road.
We lost the game on 2 or 3 plays. The fumble and the 4th and 1 at the goal line stand out. That's the way close games go - it comes down to just a couple of mistakes. We made more than PSU.
Overall, I am not too sad. First year head coach took #10 PSU to the wire on the road.
We lost the game on 2 or 3 plays. The fumble and the 4th and 1 at the goal line stand out. That's the way close games go - it comes down to just a couple of mistakes. We made more than PSU.
Overall, I am not too sad. First year head coach took #10 PSU to the wire on the road.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 6:53 pm to AUstar
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Even our defense played good enough to win. PSU had 386 yards of offense.
I think that had more to do with both teams slowing down the speed of the game, milking clock with long drives. Refs bailed our D out twice also...the 4th and 1 whistle spot and the loss of downs in the 1st half. To allow that QB to throw at will against us ultimately cost us the game.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 7:19 pm to jangalang
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I honestly don’t know why we would go for it.
Going for it is probably a better, certainly not worse, percentage play than making a 40+ yard FG and has significantly more upside.
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That’s not really a show of confidence either…
Agree to disagree, different philosophies I guess.
Food for thought
Go For It
This post was edited on 9/19/21 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 9/19/21 at 8:34 pm to RandySavage
I can accept the 4th and 1 call can be a difference of philosophies. It was at least useful that we have a great kicker (25-27 since 2020) that made the field goal. We weren't really dominant that drive but I see the analytical points that you have made.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 11:38 am to jangalang
Agree 100%.
You take the points in that situation when you have a near automatic kicker.
No hesitation.
You take the points in that situation when you have a near automatic kicker.
No hesitation.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 11:53 am to Eagle97
THe biggest problems:
1. the biggest problem on no scoring from 4 tries late in the game, is having a 1st and goal from the 10. That is the toughest to get a TD from IMO, against a very good D.
2. If Bo makes those long passes to Robertson down the left and right sidelines, when he has clear separation, then we are sitting probably in the lead late in the game.
3. Regardless of Mason's zone defense, I don't understand at least lining up across the front, giving the QB pause as to whether we are rushing or playing back. I never saw that type of alignment on D. It was always front 4, LBs back and then zone. The DBs had too many breakdowns from zone, and seemed to be confused. Answer....put them in man and take your chances...
4. I agree with Jang, I think the coaches sometimes overthink on critical decisions on offensive calls. It is very hard to believe that Harsin/Bobo thought a low percentage pass play such as a corner fade route with a inexperienced, and not your elite WR yet, is the best call.
5. But I did think the overall offensive pay calling actually was pretty good. 5 passes to TE, good run calls too. I wished there had been more screens using the RBs, and more play action.
1. the biggest problem on no scoring from 4 tries late in the game, is having a 1st and goal from the 10. That is the toughest to get a TD from IMO, against a very good D.
2. If Bo makes those long passes to Robertson down the left and right sidelines, when he has clear separation, then we are sitting probably in the lead late in the game.
3. Regardless of Mason's zone defense, I don't understand at least lining up across the front, giving the QB pause as to whether we are rushing or playing back. I never saw that type of alignment on D. It was always front 4, LBs back and then zone. The DBs had too many breakdowns from zone, and seemed to be confused. Answer....put them in man and take your chances...
4. I agree with Jang, I think the coaches sometimes overthink on critical decisions on offensive calls. It is very hard to believe that Harsin/Bobo thought a low percentage pass play such as a corner fade route with a inexperienced, and not your elite WR yet, is the best call.
5. But I did think the overall offensive pay calling actually was pretty good. 5 passes to TE, good run calls too. I wished there had been more screens using the RBs, and more play action.
Posted on 10/9/21 at 6:16 pm to AuSteeler
More thoughts:
WR drops are a symptom of talent deficiency as much as execution.. In 2016 we were equally frustrated with drops but the issue quickly went away once a decent quarterback and receivers were brought in. Bo is often not the issue with the drops and neither was Sean White at times but the chemistry isn’t there. Sometimes receivers drop the pass because the pass isn’t perfect. Other times those guys dropped it because they’re not skilled enough to be counted on play after play. Once Slayton and those guys were brought into the fold in 2017 the talent to open up the deep ball and to get open was there making it easier for the offense to remain in sync.
-To defend Bo as remaining starter the only reason why I think we can win any game going forward is his legs are still a wildcard and he generally doesn’t miss most of his passes to receivers by much. His pass to Capers in the EZ didn’t sail through the endzone; it actually would’ve hit his chest. Yet, Bo didn’t hit outstretched hands (that would’ve never been there because Capers was mugged,) so he’s not really throwing receivers open either
I said before the season I didn’t like the Bobo hire because I thought he didn’t open things up enough. Time will tell if this is a chicken or egg thing or if he legit doesn’t want to chunk the ball. For the life of me I don’t get why he don’t just open it up anyway. It’s probably just going to be overthrown anyway. If the defense doesn’t respect the deep ball we are just allowing the defense to sit on the intermediate routes. It’s a wonder Bo hasn’t thrown a pick six yet.
As I said in the OP- Mason doesn’t like man because he knows our DBs will get exposed. Maybe we need to blitz more but that just opens up passing holes if we don’t get to the QB. I think that is just a jimmies and joes issue.
WR drops are a symptom of talent deficiency as much as execution.. In 2016 we were equally frustrated with drops but the issue quickly went away once a decent quarterback and receivers were brought in. Bo is often not the issue with the drops and neither was Sean White at times but the chemistry isn’t there. Sometimes receivers drop the pass because the pass isn’t perfect. Other times those guys dropped it because they’re not skilled enough to be counted on play after play. Once Slayton and those guys were brought into the fold in 2017 the talent to open up the deep ball and to get open was there making it easier for the offense to remain in sync.
-To defend Bo as remaining starter the only reason why I think we can win any game going forward is his legs are still a wildcard and he generally doesn’t miss most of his passes to receivers by much. His pass to Capers in the EZ didn’t sail through the endzone; it actually would’ve hit his chest. Yet, Bo didn’t hit outstretched hands (that would’ve never been there because Capers was mugged,) so he’s not really throwing receivers open either
I said before the season I didn’t like the Bobo hire because I thought he didn’t open things up enough. Time will tell if this is a chicken or egg thing or if he legit doesn’t want to chunk the ball. For the life of me I don’t get why he don’t just open it up anyway. It’s probably just going to be overthrown anyway. If the defense doesn’t respect the deep ball we are just allowing the defense to sit on the intermediate routes. It’s a wonder Bo hasn’t thrown a pick six yet.
As I said in the OP- Mason doesn’t like man because he knows our DBs will get exposed. Maybe we need to blitz more but that just opens up passing holes if we don’t get to the QB. I think that is just a jimmies and joes issue.
Posted on 10/9/21 at 6:19 pm to jangalang
Bo throws a lot of stuff in weird positions. They should still be caught, no doubt, but he ends up making things more awkward than they should be. Ultimately we need a lot of fresh blood on O. Until then, we will always have these struggles.
This post was edited on 10/9/21 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 10/9/21 at 6:25 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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No throws a lot of stuff in weird positions
No play stands out more than the throw to Shenker in the red zone. I have to look back at that play. It hit his hands and he was in the air but from my view it looked awkward as if he mistimed the jump or if his body was weirdly contorted while trying to catch the ball.
Posted on 10/9/21 at 6:28 pm to jangalang
Yea it was a badly placed ball from what I saw, but I was there so didn’t get many replays or anything. Still should have been caught, no doubt.
Same with the Shiver’s drops. One Bo throws an awful ball high, behind, and hard. The other, he is on a wheel route and isn’t to the point he should be looking for the ball. Bo throws a bullet low, behind, and in his hip while Shiver’s is still working upfield. Drops, yes. Equally the QB’s fault? Also yes.
Same with the Shiver’s drops. One Bo throws an awful ball high, behind, and hard. The other, he is on a wheel route and isn’t to the point he should be looking for the ball. Bo throws a bullet low, behind, and in his hip while Shiver’s is still working upfield. Drops, yes. Equally the QB’s fault? Also yes.
This post was edited on 10/9/21 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 10/9/21 at 6:34 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Bo throws a bullet low, behind, and in his hip while Shiver’s is still working upfield.
I’d put that more on bo there. Shivers wasn’t even looking. The other passes to Shivers should’ve been caught.
Posted on 10/9/21 at 6:37 pm to jangalang
The one that was picked, I still put half on Bo. That was an awful pass. Yes Shivers should have caught it, but that throw was god awful.
Posted on 10/9/21 at 6:38 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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The one that was picked, I still put half on Bo
Posted on 10/9/21 at 6:39 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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The one that was picked, I still put half on Bo. That was an awful pass.
It basically bounced off his helmet; I cannot put that INT on Bo.
Posted on 10/9/21 at 6:43 pm to jangalang
I’m
Not saying the pick was his fault. Unfortunate bounce there. Just that it was dropped. It was behind Shivers and ion a rope. He had to spin to turn around and get an angle to try and catch it. Was not a good throw. Shaun still should have caught it. Not arguing that. If the TD pass that was dropped was partially Bo’s fault for a bad throw, then so is this one.
Not saying the pick was his fault. Unfortunate bounce there. Just that it was dropped. It was behind Shivers and ion a rope. He had to spin to turn around and get an angle to try and catch it. Was not a good throw. Shaun still should have caught it. Not arguing that. If the TD pass that was dropped was partially Bo’s fault for a bad throw, then so is this one.
This post was edited on 10/9/21 at 6:47 pm
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