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re: Fall Camp Discussion- Bo Nix Named Starting QB
Posted on 8/6/19 at 8:55 pm to Rhymenoceros
Posted on 8/6/19 at 8:55 pm to Rhymenoceros
Weren’t the live in spring?
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Posted on 8/6/19 at 8:56 pm to blzr
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Weren’t the live in spring?
I think so, but that was 6months ago. But again, if they have essentially picked a guy, going off that live scrimmage and camp, I have no problem with the non contact. I’m just saying if it’s a dead heat at the moment
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:01 pm to Tigerman97
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Honestly, the OL in 2014 wasn't near the OL in 2013 but Nick, like KJ, covered a lot of sins.
Yeah but you’ve made a great case that multiple good components of an offense is what makes the QB work. Not the QB’s contribution to the run game.
KJ is the shining example of that. And it’s also why if Mason goes down in 2013 or Darvin Adams goes down in 2010 that we maybe don’t go all the way either.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:02 pm to Rhymenoceros
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This year is unique. Two guys who have never taken a meaningful snap are neck and neck and one of those guys best attribute is his legs which can only be tested accurately in live play. If one gets hurt, that sucks, but it answers your question as to starter. They have to play football at some point. I’d rather know what I’m going in with than just hoping for the best. Again, this is not a normal year
I guess I see it different...you can't really mimic game situations. Gus' failure when it comes to QB's is that he doesn't get them meaningful snaps in games or when he does he has them run unimaginative plays and not the full O. They know what Joey can do with his legs, but have they learned if a kid can handle pressure if they've never seen him handle it? That's the million dollar question. You can't mimic the pressure in practice.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:06 pm to TheJones
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Yeah but you’ve made a great case that multiple good components of an offense is what makes the QB work. Not the QB’s contribution to the run game.
KJ is the shining example of that. And it’s also why if Mason goes down in 2013 or Darvin Adams goes down in 2010 that we maybe don’t go all the way either.
I have no disagreement with your thoughts, but to date Gus hasn't really shown an ability to win (championship level) with a QB that isn't a serious DT. Gus isn't alone in that reality, but the idea that he won at Tulsa with a Pro QB is at this point a non starter till he shows how to exploit that at Auburn.
IMO, it has more to do with his inability to recruit an NFL level OL. If Stidham wasn't rattled the last two seasons we wouldn't know how easy it is to rattle him. In 2015 if the OL could have picked up short yardage that team is a 9 win team...same with last season, probably 10 last season.
Imagine the narrative about Gus if he'd been 12-2, 8-5, 9-4, 8-5, 10-4, 10-3. If his OL was better he'd probably been 12-2 in 2017. But I do believe his OL issues are a result of the perception that he can't get guys "consistently" to the next level.
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:12 pm to Tigerman97
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I guess I see it different...you can't really mimic game situations.
Fair enough, but to that point going live is still closer to a game than not being live. I can’t help but think of JJ and it terrifies me
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:16 pm to Tigerman97
I think it’s probably easier to find a guy like Stidham and win big than guys like Cam and Nick.
And I wonder how much that plays into how Gus recruits QBs. Not sure you can come across those kinds of players enough to build a system around it. Whereas, in terms of Stidham, we were another RB away from potentially going the distance.
But there’s no doubt in my mind that the OL has been a major limitation on the team since 2014. Some of those Hand lines looked lost
And I wonder how much that plays into how Gus recruits QBs. Not sure you can come across those kinds of players enough to build a system around it. Whereas, in terms of Stidham, we were another RB away from potentially going the distance.
But there’s no doubt in my mind that the OL has been a major limitation on the team since 2014. Some of those Hand lines looked lost
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:17 pm to Rhymenoceros
No one let’s their QBs get hit in practice, it’s not something you risk. I think Gus’ biggest failure has been developing WRs and QBs, refusal to change (adapting to team strengths) and inconsistent overall. Letting QBs get beat up in practice isn’t going to change that, good or bad.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:23 pm to Rhymenoceros
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I can’t help but think of JJ and it terrifies me
I doubt JJ's issues would have been fixed by going live...nobody hits QB's even when they go live. Defenders throttle back, etc...
JJ was odd but hardly unique. Sometimes guys just can't adapt to the pace of play when they transition levels. To JJ's credit he handled his time at Auburn like a champ and I am thankful for the effort he gave against A&M in his final season.
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:40 pm to Rhymenoceros
If they’re not going live then that tells me Gatewood is the guy. Championship.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:51 pm to TheJones
I watched the Netflix show QB1 and man that Tate Martell could run, and threw a hell of a ball. The only possible issue was his attitude and character. I think he wouldn't have fit in. A Johnny Manziel type and maybe worse, but that kid was a fricking baller.
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 11:22 pm
Posted on 8/7/19 at 12:07 am to TheJones
quote:His career since leaving Vandy blows my mind. We seemed to have great (for Vandy) play from the OL while he was here, and our guys loved him. Maybe he was asked to coach a different way at AU (zone vs man vs gap). The really weird part is even following Franklin to Pedo State still resulted in awful lines, but maybe that was down to recruiting. Sorry for derailing.
Some of those Hand lines looked lost
I really wish Vandy and Auburn weren't opening at the same time. I want to see these guys against Oregon. With Georgia in Nashville, I hope I don't have a reason to be on my phone too much, or my night will already be ruined most likely.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 5:20 am to Tigerman97
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I've never understood our fanbases obsession with QB's being live
Its only because Gus is making that decision.
Just look at the responses. "Gus gonna Gus by not making the QB's live"
Posted on 8/7/19 at 6:21 am to LanierSpots
We had 12 bodies banged up or injured entering yesterday’s practice. (My thoughts That is a lot to not even be in full pads yet. We may want to reconsider doing five days in a row to start off fall practices because that’s a lot on the bodies as they try to acclimate to the regimen. )
- Gus cut practice short by 45 minutes by design to try to keep his team healthy.
-Several more were banged up yesterday in full pads but nothing too bad that I can see. Keiondre Jones banged his head, Bailey Sharp tweaked a knee, an unnamed backup may need to get his knee scanned.
- Freshman lineman Justin Osborne is performing well in camp and one to watch for in the future.
- Shaun Shivers speed and play making ability is being shown off and won’t have a “gimmick” role according to an insider
-Shaun Shivers is the fastest guy on the offense while Stove, Hastings, and Schwartz are all resting, and the offense isn’t nearly as explosive.
-QB race is fairly even but from spring to fall camp Nix has made the bigger strides and getting more comfortable with the system.
- Sal is more consistent on the practice field.
-Whenever Stove’s or Hastings’s legs are sore, they’re sitting out. Staff is being extra cautious with them. Stove wasn’t really hurt according to an insider.
- Gus cut practice short by 45 minutes by design to try to keep his team healthy.
-Several more were banged up yesterday in full pads but nothing too bad that I can see. Keiondre Jones banged his head, Bailey Sharp tweaked a knee, an unnamed backup may need to get his knee scanned.
- Freshman lineman Justin Osborne is performing well in camp and one to watch for in the future.
- Shaun Shivers speed and play making ability is being shown off and won’t have a “gimmick” role according to an insider
-Shaun Shivers is the fastest guy on the offense while Stove, Hastings, and Schwartz are all resting, and the offense isn’t nearly as explosive.
-QB race is fairly even but from spring to fall camp Nix has made the bigger strides and getting more comfortable with the system.
- Sal is more consistent on the practice field.
-Whenever Stove’s or Hastings’s legs are sore, they’re sitting out. Staff is being extra cautious with them. Stove wasn’t really hurt according to an insider.
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 6:41 am
Posted on 8/7/19 at 7:29 am to jangalang
quote:it’s happening boys
Nix has made the bigger strides and getting more comfortable with the system.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:06 am to Rhino5
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We will see both Gatewood and Nix against Oregon because our head coach STILL can’t figure out which type of offense he wants to run. It’s mind boggling.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:10 am to Rig
I bet by A&M or MSU Nix will be the outright starter. I’m rooting for Gatewood but if his arm doesn’t at least keep D’s honest then the keys will be handed to Nix.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:15 am to jangalang
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- Shaun Shivers speed and play making ability is being shown off and won’t have a “gimmick” role according to an insider
Gosh I hope so. Gus has kinda gotten to where he uses these guys as gimmicks only. Use him like Corey Grant and Onterio. If he has good hands use him to burn a linebacker on a seam route. This team is loaded with offensive talent if we can protect and put them in the right situations.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:04 am to auburnnyc94
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If he has good hands use him to burn a linebacker on a seam route. This team is loaded with offensive talent if we can protect and put them in the right situations.
And the key is Gus calling these type play. He has to have more plays that isolate these type players to have success.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:13 am to jangalang
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- Freshman lineman Justin Osborne is performing well in camp and one to watch for in the future.
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