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Posted on 9/28/25 at 1:28 pm to AUTiger789
Posted on 9/28/25 at 1:28 pm to AUTiger789
Shug Jordan, a coach that PASSED AWAY in 1980 is one of his examples of reference.
The guy was coaching in the fricking 1950's and we're using this as a point of reference in 2025
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The guy was coaching in the fricking 1950's and we're using this as a point of reference in 2025
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Posted on 9/28/25 at 1:31 pm to AUTiger789
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So yeah… sometimes it does take a bit longer to turn things around.
I get the recruiting aspect but you act like our losses are because of talent. We have the talent now. We are losing games that are winnable consistently. That is not roster ills, that is coaching. The numerous penalties and sacks are a coaching problem. He does not get it.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 1:37 pm to jangalang
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I get the recruiting aspect but you act like our losses are because of talent. We have the talent now. We are losing games that are winnable consistently. That is not roster ills, that is coaching. The numerous penalties and sacks are a coaching problem. He does not get it.
You don't get it man, we don't have a QB or an OL...so that means you just need to give him time to recruit more talent there!
Forget the fact that literally every QB who has taken a snap under the HC has looked bad (including the 5-star elite HS freshmen who look bad in mop-up duty against crap competition), forget the fact that we have "talent" on the OL and they still look bad (and the talent seemingly declines under the coaching staff), you just need PATIENCE and MORE RECRUITING!
God, don't you know that the Great Pyramid wasn't built overnight? Forget the fact that pretty much every successful SEC head coach going back to ~2000 has shown winning football by year 2 and 3 regardless of how bad the team they took over was before they got there, this Auburn job is a special case where for some inexplicable reason its going to take 5+ years to get back to an 8 win season, and we just gotta be patient and trust that the HC who is failing week after week is actually on the right path!
This post was edited on 9/28/25 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 9/28/25 at 1:37 pm to jangalang
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7 is dogshit and nobody has time for that. This schedule is very winnable and 9 is about where Freeze should be.
LOL. This is our schedule how it stands at the moment
@ #5 Oklahoma
@ # 6 Texas A&M
#10 Alabama
#12 Georgia
@ #16 Vanderbilt
#19 Missouri
Add to this Baylor who is probably in the 30-40 range on the road. There are maybe 8-10 teams max in America that would go 9-3 against that schedule.
And again, we’ve played the 2 toughest games on the schedule and lost by a combined 13 points. Perhaps wait to see how the rest of the season goes.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 1:40 pm to wareaglepete
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I can give you more examples of coaches who turned it around in less time.
Okay. Who are they? And make sure you pick examples that started out in a hole as deep as the one Auburn had after 2022.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 1:42 pm to metafour
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Shug Jordan, a coach that PASSED AWAY in 1980 is one of his examples of reference.
Well there are two more examples of CURRENT SEC COACHES, dipshit, so explain those.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 1:44 pm to metafour
Right!
The talent that Freeze brought in is who is supposed to be winning football games right now. We are well past blaming Harsin and Gus and the PTB and the refs. We had chance after chance to take the lead against A&M and could not muster a drive to even make it interesting. The lead may as well be 17 points.
If not for the defense picking off the ball we would not even have a TD. We are in bad shape and our offense looks as bad as early 20003 Auburn offense.
The talent that Freeze brought in is who is supposed to be winning football games right now. We are well past blaming Harsin and Gus and the PTB and the refs. We had chance after chance to take the lead against A&M and could not muster a drive to even make it interesting. The lead may as well be 17 points.
If not for the defense picking off the ball we would not even have a TD. We are in bad shape and our offense looks as bad as early 20003 Auburn offense.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 1:46 pm to AUTiger789
@ #5 Oklahoma- clearly winnable
@ # 6 Texas A&M- clearly winnable
#10 Alabama- winnable
#12 Georgia- winnable
@ #16 Vanderbilt- winnable
#19 Missouri- winnable
Add to this Baylor- winnable
Maybe we steal a game and declare Auburn is back.
@ # 6 Texas A&M- clearly winnable
#10 Alabama- winnable
#12 Georgia- winnable
@ #16 Vanderbilt- winnable
#19 Missouri- winnable
Add to this Baylor- winnable
Maybe we steal a game and declare Auburn is back.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 1:47 pm to jangalang
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I get the recruiting aspect but you act like our losses are because of talent.
They were the first 2 seasons.
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We have the talent now. We are losing games that are winnable consistently.
Which ones?
According to 247Sports Total Roster composite rankings, Auburn has the #12 most talented roster.
Our only losses this season were both road games against the #8 and #13 most talented rosters.
Who are the teams that have beaten us this season who we’ve had a much more talented roster?
Again, when we lose to Arkansas and Kentucky I might be there. But the teams that have narrowly beaten us have equally talented rosters and we were playing at their houses.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 1:49 pm to FlyDownTheField
As most people on this thread seem to agree that Freeze has to go, and I am one of them now …he is done.
All of this discussion on coaches seems misplaced to me. The names we need to be looking at are:
- Who will fire or push out Freeze - Rane or Cohen or Roberts? Or someone else? And what will be the trigger? Crushed by Dawgs or Rolled by the Tide?
- Who will hire the next coach? After the disaster of Harsin I do not see the PTB allowing the AD to go get “his guy” that he floated in the hot tub with. So is it Rane or a small group of big dollar boosters that effectively go get the next HC?
After we figure out who is making the pick of HC it will be easier to determine likely candidates.
All of this discussion on coaches seems misplaced to me. The names we need to be looking at are:
- Who will fire or push out Freeze - Rane or Cohen or Roberts? Or someone else? And what will be the trigger? Crushed by Dawgs or Rolled by the Tide?
- Who will hire the next coach? After the disaster of Harsin I do not see the PTB allowing the AD to go get “his guy” that he floated in the hot tub with. So is it Rane or a small group of big dollar boosters that effectively go get the next HC?
After we figure out who is making the pick of HC it will be easier to determine likely candidates.
This post was edited on 9/28/25 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 9/28/25 at 1:53 pm to AUTiger789
disregard
This post was edited on 9/28/25 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 9/28/25 at 1:55 pm to AUTiger789
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They were the first 2 seasons.
Some were losses we were not ready to win. Some were just bad coaching. I know I do not have to remind you Hugh shite the bed a few times in the first two years. Teams like NM State, Maryland, Vandy, Oklahoma, and so on. Those teams were not highly regarded. They were more motivated and better coached..
quote:Bro we just lost winnable games back to back. We were a TD within winning outright or tieing at the very least. We were within a fighter's punch despite Freeze. Durkin has ben doing the Lord's work while Freeze is putting our offense in 3 and 12 for no good reason at all.
Which ones?
Posted on 9/28/25 at 1:58 pm to AUTiger789
Drink turned over play calling and hired an NFL guy to help with game management. That’s when his turn around started I believe Freeze is waaaay too smart to do those things.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 2:00 pm to jangalang
789, if you think this schedule is bad just wait until next year. Ole Miss will take his D2 quarterback and drag us across the field with him.
It is very easy to see who knows what they are doing and who is just scoring brownie points for trinket accomplishments and marginal improvements.
It is very easy to see who knows what they are doing and who is just scoring brownie points for trinket accomplishments and marginal improvements.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 2:01 pm to AUTiger789
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Okay. Who are they? And make sure you pick examples that started out in a hole as deep as the one Auburn had after 2022.
Son, virtually every SEC head coach who had a successful tenure going back to ~2000 has shown a winning product by year two on the job, regardless of how bad the team was in the final season of the failed previous head coach who they were replacing. In most cases, every successful SEC coach has shown MULTI WIN improvement from year one to year two. The truly great coaches were all at 10+ wins in year two, regardless of what type of talent or success they inherited.
Tommy Tuberville - AU was 3-8 the season prior to his hiring:
Year 1: 5-6
Year 2: 9-4
Nick Saban - UA was 6-7 the season prior to his hiring:
Year 1: 7-6
Year 2: 12-2
Urban Meyer - UF was 7-5 the season prior to his hiring:
Year 1: 9-3
Year 2: 13-1
Dan Mullen - MSU was 4-8 the season prior to his hiring:
Year 1: 5-7
Year 2: 9-4
Hugh Freeze - Ole Miss was 2-10 the season prior to his hiring:
Year 1: 7-6
Year 2: 8-5
Lane Kiffin - Ole Miss was 4-8 the season prior to his hiring:
Year 1: 5-5
Year 2: 10-3
Josh Heupel - Tennessee was 3-7 the season prior to his hiring:
Year 1: 7-6
Year 2: 11-2
Shane Beamer - USC was 2-8 the season prior to his hiring:
Year 1: 7-6
Year 2: 8-5
Nick Saban - LSU was 3-8 the season prior to his hiring:
Year 1: 8-4
Year 2: 10-3
Brian Kelly - LSU was 6-7 the season prior to his hiring:
Year 1: 10-4
Year 2: 10-3
Posted on 9/28/25 at 2:04 pm to AUTiger789
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And make sure you pick examples that started out in a hole as deep as the one Auburn had after 2022.
You only had one good example of this, Lea. Drink it wasn't that bad and Shug from 50s is not a good example. But, anyway:
Curt Cignetti/Indiana 11-2 (Year 1)
Rhett Lashlee/SMU 7-6
11-3
11-3
Luke Fickell/Cincy 4-8
11-2
11-3 *And kept getting better*
Josh Heupel/UT 7-6
11-2
Bob Stoops/Okie 7-5
13-0
Lane Kiffen/Ole Miss 5-5
10-3
Your best example of a more modern coach that it took a while to turn it around would have been Jim Harbaugh or Gary Pinkel.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 2:09 pm to jangalang
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Bro we just lost winnable games back to back. We were a TD within winning outright or tieing at the very least.
So we played two teams currently ranked in the AP Top 6, and had chances to win both games?
Sounds like we’re vastly improved compared to 3 years ago.
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We were within a fighter's punch despite Freeze.
“Despite Freeze”. LOL. Who took over from Brian Harsin and got us to this point? We lost to Arkansas that year at home by two touchdowns. I’m pretty sure had you told Auburn fans in December 2022 that we’d play two Top 6 teams in 2025 on the road and play them to within 13 combined points, they’d have thought that things would have at least gotten better.
I’m all for blaming Freeze at this point for our offensive woes. He deserves it after these last two weeks. But you can’t blame him for all the bad things and ignore the areas where we’ve seen vast improvement. You have to look at it in its entirety.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 2:09 pm to wareaglepete
James Franklin - Vanderbilt was 2-10 the season prior to his hiring:
Year 1: 6-7
Year 2: 9-4
Year 3: 9-4
This is like clockwork in the SEC. It does NOT take 4-5 years to "turn a program around", nor has this ever been the case.
Year 1: 6-7
Year 2: 9-4
Year 3: 9-4
This is like clockwork in the SEC. It does NOT take 4-5 years to "turn a program around", nor has this ever been the case.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 2:15 pm to AUTiger789
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So we played two teams currently ranked in the AP Top 6, and had chances to win both games?
Sounds like we’re vastly improved compared to 3 years ago.
The way we reverted to losing ways is the same bullshite as two years ago or three years ago or 4 year ago, Like I said, we were in that game despite Freeze. If Freeze was an offensive coach that could put up more than 1 yard in the 4th quarter we would be winning these games. We exhausted chance after chance after chance.
The sacks. The Penalties, The mistakes. Not helping our studs succeed is why Freeze needs to be out the door.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 2:17 pm to jangalang
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“Despite Freeze”. LOL. Who took over from Brian Harsin and got us to this point?
What point are you trying to make? That we got athletes? Sure Freeze has athletes. Freeze is doing less with more. His teams are performing no higher than Harsins.
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