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re: Bo Nix is 6-1.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 8:54 am to auburnnyc94
Posted on 10/23/22 at 8:54 am to auburnnyc94
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mean as of right now he has a decent chance of getting invited to New York for the heisman ceremony. There’s not really a tell all statistic but that’s a pretty good indicator of what he’s doing right now
I must not be watching enough football. There are several QBs ahead of him to get that invite
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Posted on 10/23/22 at 11:25 am to HailToTheChiz
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This is debatable. What stat are we basing this on? Looking at the NCAA stat site, he's #10 on passing efficiency. He's not top 10 in anything else
It depends on how you want to factor in and weigh his 8 rushing TD's and nearly ~400 yards of rushing.
For example, he actually has 25 total touchdowns (17 passing, 8 rushing). Stroud has 28, Drake Maye has 27, Hooker has 21, etc.
In terms of total offensive output, he'd have to factor in somewhere in the Top 10.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 12:01 pm to makersmark1
Isn’t Harsin running a pro scheme or that’s what I have heard. Bo had a 60+ percentage rate last year. 12 TDs to 3 INTs. Against “SEC” defenses.
That’s with an OL that can’t block and WRs that can’t get open.
So the Bo can’t play against top competition is kind of a shite take. If Bo has equal competition to compete with he wins. You know kind of like NFL QBs.
I think Robby is at 48 % completion rate. But he’s young right? Wasn’t he and Bo in the same recruiting class?
That’s with an OL that can’t block and WRs that can’t get open.
So the Bo can’t play against top competition is kind of a shite take. If Bo has equal competition to compete with he wins. You know kind of like NFL QBs.
I think Robby is at 48 % completion rate. But he’s young right? Wasn’t he and Bo in the same recruiting class?
Posted on 10/23/22 at 12:04 pm to CorchJay
Did Kyler Murray look like an NFL QB before going to OKie. Nope.
How about Jalen Hurts? Nope.
How about Jalen Hurts? Nope.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 12:55 pm to CorchJay
I think it’s time to end this debate.
Bo is neither the sure thing first-rounder we were led to believe he was when he signed, nor the spoiled, petulant quitter we were told he was when he left for Eugene.
He’s a solid P5 QB with exceptional physical abilities who still tends to make questionable decisions in games. On the right team, he can compete with the best of them, given competent coaching and playcalling.
He would have gotten neither had he stayed. Sucks for AU, but not for Bo.
Bo is neither the sure thing first-rounder we were led to believe he was when he signed, nor the spoiled, petulant quitter we were told he was when he left for Eugene.
He’s a solid P5 QB with exceptional physical abilities who still tends to make questionable decisions in games. On the right team, he can compete with the best of them, given competent coaching and playcalling.
He would have gotten neither had he stayed. Sucks for AU, but not for Bo.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 1:19 pm to FearlessFreep
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spoiled, petulant
Most definitely, he is these things. Saw it with my own eyes.
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quitter
Yes, Not a quitter
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exceptional physical abilities
I don't think so, maybe a little above average.
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On the right team, he can compete with the best of them, given competent coaching and playcalling.
The UGA game casts doubt on this - UGA would be considered "Best of them"
Debate continues.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 1:40 pm to pdfield34
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The UGA game casts doubt on this - UGA would be considered "Best of them"
UGA is a special case because it was week1. It would be more competitive now (UGA would still win but Oregon would be competitive).
Posted on 10/23/22 at 1:49 pm to AUreo
"Special case"......"Exceptional"....."not petulant"
The Nix Bias.
The Nix Bias.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 2:15 pm to makersmark1
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Lanning schooled Harsin in the portal
Sure but Lanning didn’t get Bo because Harsin had no portal game, he got Bo because Bo was never going to stay in Auburn. Let’s just make that clear.
Regardless of what may have been printed, Bo was never going to stay in Auburn. There was nothing Harsin could have done to keep Bo outside of having a whole new competitive OL and a few more top receivers sitting in the negotiation room.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 2:18 pm to pdfield34
How is that a "Nix bias"? I spent years actively criticizing him for his play here. Now it's time to give him his duly earned recognition. He has been amazing for Oregon.
They played the reigning national champions in week #1 with him playing his first game for Oregon and the HC and coaching staff playing in their first game ever with that team. What, things are supposed to be firing on all cylinders? When does that ever happen? Most new staffs are struggling and up-and-down in year #1 - that is the expectation. Oregon wasn't a "rebuild" because their last coach left on his own, but to expect them to come out against Georgia as if Lanning and company had been there for years is asinine.
The arguments against Nix's play have started to border on the absurd. Saying "yeah but he struggles when he's running for his life" is true of literally every QB on the planet, not just him. Most good QB's have good protection and great talent around them. So using that as a knock against him is beyond stupid - does Bryce Young have no talent around him? Is CJ Stroud running for his life and throwing the ball to scrubs? Or is he playing in a loaded offense? The exact same thing is true in the NFL: all the best QB's have competent or better supporting casts. There is no elite NFL QB who plays at an elite level with consistently subpar protection or offensive talent around him: that really doesn't exist. It can happen on a game to game basis, but never over a full season.
Secondly, the expectation that a QB is only good if they post 100% win-rates against teams better than their own is also obviously absurd. This ties to the "but look at the game vs. Georgia!" argument. Again, name me the QB who consistently beats all the teams that are better than their own. Just last week Patrick Mahomes went 25 for 40 with 2 TD's and 2 INT's in a home-game loss against the Bills. Why didn't he play better and win the game? Why didn't he throw 5 TD's like he normally does? Is it because the Bills are equal to if not better than his team? If you want an NCAA example, consider Trevor Lawrence's struggle in a beatdown by LSU in the 2019 Championship game. Even the best QB's on the planet are going to have their share of bad games against teams that are better than their own.
The funny thing about the point made of Nix losing to Georgia is that everyone seems to forget the times he actually beat better teams than his own. Did he not spearhead wins against Ole Miss and Arkansas last year, both of whom were better than us? We didn't win a single game after he got hurt so clearly we weren't very good overall. UCLA was also ranked higher than Oregon going into yesterday's game, so does that performance not count? Clearly Oregon proved to be the better team (behind the flawless play of their QB), but you can't just pick and choose which games you want to consider and pretend like a beatdown to #1 Georgia is somehow the defining judgement on his ability as a QB.
They played the reigning national champions in week #1 with him playing his first game for Oregon and the HC and coaching staff playing in their first game ever with that team. What, things are supposed to be firing on all cylinders? When does that ever happen? Most new staffs are struggling and up-and-down in year #1 - that is the expectation. Oregon wasn't a "rebuild" because their last coach left on his own, but to expect them to come out against Georgia as if Lanning and company had been there for years is asinine.
The arguments against Nix's play have started to border on the absurd. Saying "yeah but he struggles when he's running for his life" is true of literally every QB on the planet, not just him. Most good QB's have good protection and great talent around them. So using that as a knock against him is beyond stupid - does Bryce Young have no talent around him? Is CJ Stroud running for his life and throwing the ball to scrubs? Or is he playing in a loaded offense? The exact same thing is true in the NFL: all the best QB's have competent or better supporting casts. There is no elite NFL QB who plays at an elite level with consistently subpar protection or offensive talent around him: that really doesn't exist. It can happen on a game to game basis, but never over a full season.
Secondly, the expectation that a QB is only good if they post 100% win-rates against teams better than their own is also obviously absurd. This ties to the "but look at the game vs. Georgia!" argument. Again, name me the QB who consistently beats all the teams that are better than their own. Just last week Patrick Mahomes went 25 for 40 with 2 TD's and 2 INT's in a home-game loss against the Bills. Why didn't he play better and win the game? Why didn't he throw 5 TD's like he normally does? Is it because the Bills are equal to if not better than his team? If you want an NCAA example, consider Trevor Lawrence's struggle in a beatdown by LSU in the 2019 Championship game. Even the best QB's on the planet are going to have their share of bad games against teams that are better than their own.
The funny thing about the point made of Nix losing to Georgia is that everyone seems to forget the times he actually beat better teams than his own. Did he not spearhead wins against Ole Miss and Arkansas last year, both of whom were better than us? We didn't win a single game after he got hurt so clearly we weren't very good overall. UCLA was also ranked higher than Oregon going into yesterday's game, so does that performance not count? Clearly Oregon proved to be the better team (behind the flawless play of their QB), but you can't just pick and choose which games you want to consider and pretend like a beatdown to #1 Georgia is somehow the defining judgement on his ability as a QB.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 2:25 pm to metafour
No matter how much common sense and facts you bring to the discussion, there are just going to be Nix detractors out of hate, and or to troll.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 2:45 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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No matter how much common sense and facts you bring to the discussion, there are just going to be Nix detractors out of hate, and or to troll.
People should be happy for him because it is clear now that he is a GOOD quarterback who was the victim of a lot of bad situations over 3 seasons at Auburn. Bad coaching, OC's switching on a yearly basis, no OL recruiting, etc., etc.
The people still trying to talk shite about him can't even comprehend that he was a 5-star QB who willingly still came here during the end-game period of Malzahn's tenure wherein it was obvious that he was a fraud and his offense was failing. Nix still came here even though he would have been better off at any number of other schools that he could have chosen to go to. He was the last actual QB that Malzahn was able to recruit: in the class prior to Nix we landed Gatewood (who wasn't a QB and who wasn't even being recruited as one by most teams), and the class after Nix we landed Chayil Garnett. When Nix signed here in 2019, HS QB's were already staying FAR away from Auburn. Again, he came here anyway.
Then, he decided to stay here during a coaching change when he could have transferred out. He won the starting job again vs. Finley and even kept cool after being benched vs Ga. State. He led last year's team to all of their actual victories; the team has basically not won a single game of note since he got hurt and left. That isn't even an exaggeration: our lone "win" is this year vs. Missouri, which is a game we actually should have lost...twice.
So what we've learned is that Nix was good enough to keep this team afloat. Yes, he got killed vs. Georgia as would every other QB. He still managed to pull out some wins, like Ole Miss, LSU, and Arkansas last season. The team looks completely inept without him, and all of our deficiencies look worse. Meanwhile he's receiving good coaching, protection, and play-calling at Oregon and he's playing like one of the best QB's in the country.
Good for him. That's all you have to say. It's a shame that we never had the coaching or competent pieces around him over his 3 years here. He wasn't perfect during his time here, but again: there isn't a QB on the planet who would have been. He played extremely hard and even played on a broken ankle for Harsin - I'd be pissed too with the shite that Harsin tried pulling. If you think about Nix, he played for the beaten-corpse version of Malzahn and Bryan Harsin. Again, he was a victim.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 2:51 pm to metafour
He does not have exceptional ability - as in the top elite QBs (like say college Matt Stafford). This is an over exaggeration that comes with bias.
Trying to absolve him of attitude issues comes with bias.
For Pete's sake, he wasn't even voted a captain of Auburn.
Speaks volumes.
I will not hang my hat on performances against UCLA, Washington St, and Arizona in order to declare that Nix has turned some corner and that he definitely was not a problem at Auburn.
He is a good Qb who has not proven that he has overcome past, repeated deficiencies. I don't believe you can say he has turned the corner is now showing that he was really good all along.
Trying to absolve him of attitude issues comes with bias.
For Pete's sake, he wasn't even voted a captain of Auburn.
Speaks volumes.
I will not hang my hat on performances against UCLA, Washington St, and Arizona
in order to declare that Nix has turned some corner and that he definitely was not a problem at Auburn. He is a good Qb who has not proven that he has overcome past, repeated deficiencies. I don't believe you can say he has turned the corner is now showing that he was really good all along.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 2:55 pm to metafour
We'll just disagree that performances against the PAC 12 do much for the status of Nix. He's a good quarterback, who has
some limiting (mostly mental) issues in big contests.
some limiting (mostly mental) issues in big contests.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 2:58 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
That 50+ yard TD he threw was probably the prettiest pass I've ever seen that kid make. Im pulling for him to get to the next level and do well.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 2:59 pm to pdfield34
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He's a good quarterback
FIFY. End of convo
Posted on 10/23/22 at 3:01 pm to pdfield34
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For Pete's sake, he wasn't even voted a captain of Auburn.
Speaks volumes.
The only volumes that speaks about is that Harsin is completely clueless. Which we've already learned and confirmed by now. That's the point you want to make? One of Harsin's "captains" is Owen Pappoe - a guy who makes no plays and who routinely gives up. Pappoe spent all of last season injured while Nix was playing with a broken ankle.
Again, Harsin has really bad judgment. Bad judgement on Austin Davis. Bad judgment on Nix and then replacing him with Calzada (a guy who chose to have optional surgery instead of suiting up for Harsin LOL). Bad judgment on all the assistants and coordinators he fired last year and then replaced with his own less-competent friends.
Also, you must not watch any of the games if you seriously want to state that Nix hasn't done anything to "turn the corner". He is making all the throws with consistency. He is making the right reads with consistency. Everything looks polished for him this year, even when he does and doesn't choose to run.
You're just being an obtuse hater. Kid is completing 70%+ of his passes for a team that is absolutely rolling offensively and you're going to say something idiotic like "hurr durr it's the PAC12". That entire deflection has become borderline retarded as most of the teams in the SEC field wonky defenses in 2022. There are like 3 teams that play good defense in this conference, the whole "lets make fun of other conferences" thing is tired and lame.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 3:03 pm to metafour
Harsin had nothing to do with picking captains.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 3:03 pm to metafour
Yeah I think a lot of people judge their own QB by how good they look against Georgia. Which is funny, because basically no QB ever looks good against Georgia.
Posted on 10/23/22 at 3:07 pm to pdfield34
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Harsin had nothing to do with picking captains.
Imagine that, his incompetent team couldn't even pick the team captains properly. Again, if you think that's supposed to make some sort of "point" - you need to think harder. This is a team wherein Brandon Council thought it would be smart to go to the press to talk about how they were going to dominate Georgia. How much credibility do you want to give to the players on a ~4-8 team?
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