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Posted on 8/2/21 at 7:15 pm to TheJones
It’s kind of discussing recruiting. 
Posted on 8/2/21 at 7:20 pm to TheJones
AUC seemed to imply today that the fact we didn't get an OL transfer might not have been entirely because there weren't any available. Supposedly the players and parents are really impressed with Friend as a teacher and the staff thinks the current OL group might be enough for this season.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 7:26 pm to bawbarn
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It’s kind of discussing recruiting.
It’s mostly two people typing paragraphs to eachother
Posted on 8/2/21 at 7:32 pm to AUEE13
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AUC seemed to imply today that the fact we didn't get an OL transfer might not have been entirely because there weren't any available. Supposedly the players and parents are really impressed with Friend as a teacher and the staff thinks the current OL group might be enough for this season.
I just think they looked at the depth chart and realized like 7-8 guys leave that room come January and bringing in more upper classmen there is a bad idea. That being said, they’ll need to do it in this class. KN expects half of the OL class to be JUCO and transfer guys.
I think they’ll take 2 HS OTs and 1 HS interior lineman.
Colby Smith and Garner Langlo end up being important pieces going forward. We need both of them to work out, and we need one to definitely be a multi year starter at tackle.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 7:32 pm to AUEE13
Double posted
This post was edited on 8/2/21 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 8/2/21 at 7:39 pm to TheJones
No it's mostly people talking about others talking about recruiting. Jonesy get your panties out of wad.
So recruiting discussion and debates need approval now? Ignore what Meta and I discuss both sides have some valid points. Problem is most people choose a side and aren't willing to listen to the other side and just want what they agree with to be posted.
So recruiting discussion and debates need approval now? Ignore what Meta and I discuss both sides have some valid points. Problem is most people choose a side and aren't willing to listen to the other side and just want what they agree with to be posted.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 7:39 pm to TheJones
quote:And... get the dick out of your ear.
It’s mostly two people typing paragraphs to eachother.
I hate most of Corches' takes but its fine. Same for Randy Savage. It makes things interesting.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 7:45 pm to alpinetiger
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alpinetiger
I have a storied history of arguing with both Meta (just ask him) and Corch. Im going to continue to pick at both of them. If that hurts your feelings then I’m sorry bud. But Corch doesn’t need people knighting for him. He’s a big boy and he knows I value him
Posted on 8/2/21 at 7:53 pm to metafour
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What does that mean, you idiot? It means that "one of the best recruiters in the country" with his ****ing SEC pedigree is basically doing nothing on the recruiting front at UCF that they weren't already doing without him
So Gus is keeping UCF a team that head coaches have left for greater jobs in your opinion and kept them where they have been recruiting wise. Yet we get a guy and move him up and we are behind where we have never been and you think you're winning the argument.
This isn't a Gus and Harsin discussion. For me it's purely Harsin. Don't give 2 shits what Gus and UCF is doing but find it amusing you can't let Gus go. Brokeback Meta!! Yes in posting before that Gus was one of the best recruiting head coaches there is in the game. That was reference to his time a AU and only time I care whatsoever what he was doing. If you disagree ok... don't give a shite. Both are opinions however I bet I can find more data to support my claim on head coaches recruiting and Gus being good to elite then you can that he's some loser on the trail. Any way not what I intend to be the discussion.
The discussion is and should be why are we struggling to get any in roads into truly SEC talented players in this class. This is Auburn University. We aren't fricking Vandy. Does the Boise Culture work outside of Boise no matter how well you sell it outside of a new conference. All of those should be questions we are asking before game 1 and appears i'm the only one that gives a shite enough to ask the hard questions.
Found this interesting and I'll just leave it here. Boise state head coaches from Koetter to Harsin... essentially what they would refer to as the Boise way. Hasn't worked for shite outside of BSU.
Dirk Koetter BSU – 3 seasons .722
AZ State – 6 seasons .600
Dan Hawkins BSU – 5 seasons .828
Colorado – 5 seasons .327
Chris Petersen BSU – 8 seasons .885
Washington – 6 seasons .679
Bryan Harsin BSU – 7 Seasons .784
Auburn - TBD
Petersen was essentially Gus in a very watered down PAC with USC, UCLA, Stanford, and Oregon all down to varying degrees.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 7:53 pm to alpinetiger
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I hate most of Corches' takes
I love you to Brother
Posted on 8/2/21 at 7:54 pm to CorchJay
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Problem is most people choose a side and aren't willing to listen to the other side and just want what they agree with to be posted.
This is the core of my aggravation on this board
Just people repeating the same thing over and over again until they’re blue in the face. You’re right. We’re in line for a subpar class. It’ll be fine I guess. Probably 20ish with a handful of guys we’re excited about. But it’s another year that we’re widening the gap between us and our rivals. People get butthurt when talking about the reasons why it’s happening.
Not much I can do about that. Trying to steer this ship toward being mostly recruiting news. I’ve been doing it this way for years and every year people say this thread will die if it’s mostly news but somehow, some way, it continues to be the most active thread on the board
I pretty much tolerate anything but politics. However, if we’re heading toward 3 pages of Gus talk I’m going to try to get us off that. It’s not personal, just steering the ship
Posted on 8/2/21 at 8:03 pm to CorchJay
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Dirk Koetter BSU – 3 seasons .722
AZ State – 6 seasons .600
Dan Hawkins BSU – 5 seasons .828
Colorado – 5 seasons .327
Chris Petersen BSU – 8 seasons .885
Washington – 6 seasons .679
Bryan Harsin BSU – 7 Seasons .784
Auburn - TBD
Credit where it's due, I've seen this discussed elsewhere and it does concern me about Harsin.
And (EDIT: concerning recruiting) I think Jonesy kinda sums it up ... we all know this class isn't going to be that great from a rankings perspective, beating that drum is unnecessary. I'm just not ready to panic about recruiting until I see the product on the field and how the '23 class shakes out. If we're in the 20s after the '23 class signs and we haven't seen some on-field improvement I'm definitely going to be concerned.
This post was edited on 8/2/21 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 8/2/21 at 8:06 pm to AUEE13
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If we're in the 20s after the '23 class signs we haven't seen some on-field improvement I'm definitely going to be concerned.
This is where I’m at, and any logical person should be.
I’ll take the above over another top 10 class with little development and horrible success against our rivals. I’ve seen that movie. It was time to move on. We’ll see.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 8:24 pm to AUEE13
quote:Sums up what, exactly? That Harsin wins at an 80% clip?
And I think Jonesy kinda sums it up ... we all know this class isn't going to be that great from a rankings perspective, beating that drum is unnecessary. I'm just not ready to panic about recruiting until I see the product on the field and how the '23 class shakes out. If we're in the 20s after the '23 class signs we haven't seen some on-field improvement I'm definitely going to be concerned.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 8:29 pm to alpinetiger
No, concerning recruiting:
It's the situation we're in right now. Harsin came in behind and is going to have to catch up to succeed. We all know that.
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You’re right. We’re in line for a subpar class. It’ll be fine I guess. Probably 20ish with a handful of guys we’re excited about. But it’s another year that we’re widening the gap between us and our rivals.
It's the situation we're in right now. Harsin came in behind and is going to have to catch up to succeed. We all know that.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 8:35 pm to AUEE13
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It's the situation we're in right now. Harsin came in behind and is going to have to catch up to succeed. We all know that.
That's exactly what I've been saying. I'm not willing to dump 2-3 recruiting cycles for a slightly better scheme and/or development. I'll go along to get along for now but be warned seasons 23, 24, and 25 aren't looking good. And yes I agree we aren't at some horribly low point but 2-3 players can make a huge difference if we don't get those 2-3 we are in a world of hurt. So maybe the portal can help close the gap we are starting to get in.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 8:42 pm to AUEE13
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And I think Jonesy kinda sums it up ... we all know this class isn't going to be that great from a rankings perspective, beating that drum is unnecessary. I'm just not ready to panic about recruiting until I see the product on the field and how the '23 class shakes out. If we're in the 20s after the '23 class signs we haven't seen some on-field improvement I'm definitely going to be concerned.
Anybody with half a brain and a dash of reason would expect nothing more than this. Expecting fireworks or solid recruiting out of the gate is aaking for disappointment.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 8:43 pm to CorchJay
Smart utilization of the transfer portal and/or JUCOs will be critical to bridge the gap. I think we're going to see that between now and this time next year with the OL. Or at least we'd better.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 8:50 pm to AUEE13
Do they keep stats on “player development?”
Help me understand the potential of the stars.
Is this even close.
I assume a 5 star is at minimum a 2 year starter, all conference, and drafted.
At max, a first round draft choice after 3 years, and an all American. So if the don’t become a starter, the projection was wrong or the development did not happen.
A 4 star should contribute early and develop into a full s time starter, and be drafted in top 100 players. At minimum, 4 stars should make a noticeable contribution as a starter or a specialist.
A 3 star would typically redshirt or play special teams, provide depth. If the get drafted, that is good player development. The number of 3 stars drafted from your program might reflect good coaching.
Who compiles such stats?
Sadly, every coach has hyped guys who don’t do much.
Meanwhile, Dontarroius Thomas comes in as low rated player. Karl’s Dansby was a late addition.
Can Harsin find those guys that develop beyond their projections?
It will take time to see. I know he needs to sign some 4 and 5 star talent, but the key to success will be finding the guys who may be playing out of position or are under the radar because they have not spent their entire life playing football and 7 on 7 and going to every camp in the world.
I’m looking forward to game 1. I want to see how organized we are. I want to see recruits on campus. War Eagle!
Help me understand the potential of the stars.
Is this even close.
I assume a 5 star is at minimum a 2 year starter, all conference, and drafted.
At max, a first round draft choice after 3 years, and an all American. So if the don’t become a starter, the projection was wrong or the development did not happen.
A 4 star should contribute early and develop into a full s time starter, and be drafted in top 100 players. At minimum, 4 stars should make a noticeable contribution as a starter or a specialist.
A 3 star would typically redshirt or play special teams, provide depth. If the get drafted, that is good player development. The number of 3 stars drafted from your program might reflect good coaching.
Who compiles such stats?
Sadly, every coach has hyped guys who don’t do much.
Meanwhile, Dontarroius Thomas comes in as low rated player. Karl’s Dansby was a late addition.
Can Harsin find those guys that develop beyond their projections?
It will take time to see. I know he needs to sign some 4 and 5 star talent, but the key to success will be finding the guys who may be playing out of position or are under the radar because they have not spent their entire life playing football and 7 on 7 and going to every camp in the world.
I’m looking forward to game 1. I want to see how organized we are. I want to see recruits on campus. War Eagle!
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