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re: 2019 Football Recruiting Thread - Auburn Goes 4/7 & Land Brothers
Posted on 7/20/18 at 1:29 pm to jangalang
Posted on 7/20/18 at 1:29 pm to jangalang
quote:No he wasn't. 4.64 while not elite by any means is not bad or slow either as you said. He may or may not have shown flexibility at AU but he damn sure is flexible as he has shown in some runs for Tampa Bay. Lastly if he was a college average talent wise he wouldn't have been RB1 the last half of last season for a pro team last year & be RB1 for them heading into this year. He was & is.
Yes he was. He was a bull that rarely got knocked back at Auburn but his talent was limited. His 40 at the combine was a 4.64 (which is slow for a RB) and he wasn’t especially quick or flexible either.
This post was edited on 7/20/18 at 1:37 pm
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Posted on 7/20/18 at 1:33 pm to AuburnPanic40
quote:Point is the raw talent (which is the original thesis of the discussion) was indeed there whether it manifested in college or not. You have to have raw talent to hold down RB1 at any point in a pro career.
This isn’t a very good argument, players develop and progress at various rates and Barber didn’t hit his stride until he joined the bucs. There are a ton of examples of backs who were elite in college but failed to even maintain a roster spot in the NFL and vice versa.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 1:36 pm to jangalang
quote:Wasn't that due to a disability he had to overcome?
He has average talent and his vision at Auburn was abysmal.
quote:Didn't he beat out Doug Martin at some point?
he’s a discount to what they would’ve been paying Doug Martin.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 1:36 pm to ellitor
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No he wasn't. 4.64 while not elite by any means is not bad or slow either as you said
He finished 18th out of like the 22 RB/FB’s that day. That’s “average” at best, “below average” at worst.
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He may or mat not have shown flexibility at AU but he damn sure is flexible as he has shown in some runs for Tampa Bay.
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Lastly if he was a college average talent wise he wouldn't have been RB1 the last half of last season for a pro team last year & be RB1 for them hea
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Posted on 7/20/18 at 1:42 pm to ellitor
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Didn't he beat out Doug Martin at some point?
Doug Martin hasnt hit 450 yards in the past two years. Plus he was a bad contract. The Doug Martin that PB replaced was older and always hurt.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 1:46 pm to jangalang
quote:Not necassarily. The combine only takes a small % of players per position to evaluate them. If you are talking average talent as originally said in the discussion then that includes all college RBs & we don't know how that time compares to all college RBs. Not that it matters, 40 times are a pretty useless tool anyway as 95+ % of runs rarely get the open field enough for that measurement to come into play.
He finished 18th out of like the 22 RB/FB’s that day. That’s “average” at best, “below average” at worst.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 1:50 pm to ellitor
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The combine only takes a small % of players per position to evaluate them. If you are talking average talent as originally said in the discussion then that includes all college RBs & we don't know how that time compares to all college RBs.
Can we include the NAIA too? That way you can convince yourself that his talent is elite.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 1:53 pm to ellitor
quote:He was average at Auburn. He would be at the bottom of my list for AU running backs in the 2000s.
Lastly if he was a college average talent wise he wouldn't have been RB1 the last half of last season for a pro team last year & be RB1 for them heading into this year.
This post was edited on 7/20/18 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 7/20/18 at 3:19 pm to bawbarn
Rusty watched Grayson scrimmage Rome today. Two elite GA high schools. Said Pappoe only played one series, might have a minor ankle injury. Jakai Clark apparently struggled some with Rome's standout DT
Posted on 7/20/18 at 5:04 pm to RandySavage
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Do y’all watch the games? Just because our RBs put up numbers doesn’t mean they are great backs. Kerryon last year was the first time since Mason we had a RB maintain a high level of play. Guys like Barber and CAP and Petr are some a dozen guys that looked decent in our system. Yes Gus has proven his RB will put up numbers but where CAP may put up 1300 a elite back could go for 16 or 17 hundred.
Bingo, we saw what PB, CAP, Pett did I would of love to of seen what elite backs like Damien Harris, Jovon Robinson, Akers, Mixon, Chubb etc could have done in our system
Posted on 7/20/18 at 5:10 pm to AUtigR24
Why did you include jovon Robinson as elite lol
Posted on 7/20/18 at 5:11 pm to TigerPaw1
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Jakai Clark apparently struggled some with Rome's standout DT
Not surprising seeing as how we only offered him to get his 2 teammates.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 5:13 pm to blzr
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Why did you include jovon Robinson as elite lol
He was elite in every aspect with the exception of mental capacity
Posted on 7/20/18 at 5:16 pm to RandySavage
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Do y’all watch the games? Just because our RBs put up numbers doesn’t mean they are great backs. Kerryon last year was the first time since Mason we had a RB maintain a high level of play. Guys like Barber and CAP and Petr are some a dozen guys that looked decent in our system. Yes Gus has proven his RB will put up numbers but where CAP may put up 1300 a elite back could go for 16 or 17 hundred.
I just want Paw to know that I was not the one who said this. Not this time anyway
I am not Randys Alter. We just happen to agree on this subject
/explanation
Posted on 7/20/18 at 5:18 pm to AUtigR24
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Bingo, we saw what PB, CAP, Pett did I would of love to of seen what elite backs like Damien Harris, Jovon Robinson, Akers, Mixon, Chubb etc could have done in our system
I still dont understand why we cant get a very highly rated back every year. Our offensive star is almost always a running back these days. You would think we would get a highly talented back instead of the projects we get for the most part
Posted on 7/20/18 at 5:25 pm to AUtigR24
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He was elite in every aspect with the exception of mental capacity
Jovon was above average to elite in everything but didn’t have the right mindset. Almost like a five tool baseball player with no bat.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 6:40 pm to jangalang
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Almost like a five tool baseball player with no bat.
Then wouldn't that make him a 3 tool guy?
Because The Five Tools in Baseball Are:
Speed
Arm Strength
Fielding Ability
Hitting for Average
Hitting for Power
A 5 tool guy with no bat, suddenly becomes a 3 tool player, unless I'm understanding it wrong.
This post was edited on 7/20/18 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 7/20/18 at 6:58 pm to auburn2eugene
I don’t even know, it was just an analogy I made up. To support my thinking, without the essentials, there’s a five tool player reduced to three tools (or two..I generally equate speed with base running.) Let’s ignore the imperfect analogy. I was basically saying one can have all the talent in the world, but the talent can be wasted without the necessary drive and intangibles.
This post was edited on 7/20/18 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 7/20/18 at 7:46 pm to jangalang
So any news on recruiting today?
Posted on 7/20/18 at 11:01 pm to rbWarEagle
No, but at least they aren’t bitching about QBs that aren’t here any more.
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