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Posted on 9/27/15 at 9:15 pm to RandySavage
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Keith CB NCM to Florida.
Can you really blame him?
Posted on 9/27/15 at 10:04 pm to RandySavage
We have a hard time recruiting after winning or being in a national title. Our bar scene/nightlife sans SkyBar is dog shite, small school or not. Our athletic complex is near-last in SEC.
DL cant rush passer, our WR run basic routes. Playing time available isnt going to cut it this time when our player development is subpar. I no longer have any expectation, even with Dec/Jan visits, that this will be a Top 10 class.
And Im starting not to care. If we landed all of NCM/K Davis, W Allen, Ben Davis, 2-4* Safeties, and Gary/Jackson, Im not sure we would do shite anyways honestly.
DL cant rush passer, our WR run basic routes. Playing time available isnt going to cut it this time when our player development is subpar. I no longer have any expectation, even with Dec/Jan visits, that this will be a Top 10 class.
And Im starting not to care. If we landed all of NCM/K Davis, W Allen, Ben Davis, 2-4* Safeties, and Gary/Jackson, Im not sure we would do shite anyways honestly.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 10:15 pm to RandySavage
It's not even October.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 7:04 am to SamGinn Cam
Haha now that's a solid melt and probably true 
What's the answer though? This staff is built to recruit.
What's the answer though? This staff is built to recruit.
This post was edited on 9/28/15 at 7:05 am
Posted on 9/28/15 at 8:12 am to RandySavage
Just trying to call it like it is. This damn yankee came to Auburn from NY, so I bitch even when things are perfect but call it straight with sports.
I've been to other SEC Campuses, OOC Campuses and yes, I like the old small town feel but these kids wanna be superstars off the field. SkyBar is good, 1716 alright, now theyre shutting down Supper Club, I mean wtf. Need to take Toomer's north and the surrounding blocks to the next level. We'll never have the USC feel and we won't catch Athens but put the class down, take off the Brooks Bros and let's get some nightlife shite going.
Athletic complex-wise, I mean the gym is good and built by Sorinex.com who sells great shite but looking at what is going on around the SEC, our 1989 facility is slipping in popularity and even the recruits have said as much.
I was really hoping Craig could crank out some NFL-type big body WR like FSU had, that Gus could turn Johnson into an Ryan Aplin on steroids, that Garner could channel his early-UGA days, Muschamp could light a fire under our LBs, and our CBs have the ability. I think some of them saw 2012 and have too much give-up in them, although I have no idea. We just haven't shown shite and even regression in some areas and I can't even see the games here deployed, just the Game Cast stats.
You're right, this staff is built to recruit and we are fight massive negative recruiting from all sides against the usual foes; UGA/Clemson from the East, Bama/UT from the North, LSU/Ole Miss from the West, FSU/UF from the South. Not to mention pillagers like Meyer at tOSU. And those programs are all showing consistency or improvement on the field. I was in the 'we'll prove it on the field' crowd until Jax State.
For the elite prospects like G Little, Gary, etc now, it will all come down to parents liking us, academic plans, saying Muschamp needs a full off-season, showing film that our position coaches have proved elite elsewhere, and bringing in semi-intelligent, selfless players who ball out. And it would help if they are Wolverine vice glass bodies. We've got some players with fire right now but we've got some selfish ones.
We saved ourselves recruiting ranking-wise last year by hiring Muschamp and the hype train that came with it. It's how we got Cowart, almost CeCe and Beckner. Cupboard is bare this year in that department so I will definitely need some convincing in Dec/Jan to believe top 10, even top 15 is possible. It's just the way it is with Auburn, it's a struggle but it doesn't have to be.
I've been to other SEC Campuses, OOC Campuses and yes, I like the old small town feel but these kids wanna be superstars off the field. SkyBar is good, 1716 alright, now theyre shutting down Supper Club, I mean wtf. Need to take Toomer's north and the surrounding blocks to the next level. We'll never have the USC feel and we won't catch Athens but put the class down, take off the Brooks Bros and let's get some nightlife shite going.
Athletic complex-wise, I mean the gym is good and built by Sorinex.com who sells great shite but looking at what is going on around the SEC, our 1989 facility is slipping in popularity and even the recruits have said as much.
I was really hoping Craig could crank out some NFL-type big body WR like FSU had, that Gus could turn Johnson into an Ryan Aplin on steroids, that Garner could channel his early-UGA days, Muschamp could light a fire under our LBs, and our CBs have the ability. I think some of them saw 2012 and have too much give-up in them, although I have no idea. We just haven't shown shite and even regression in some areas and I can't even see the games here deployed, just the Game Cast stats.
You're right, this staff is built to recruit and we are fight massive negative recruiting from all sides against the usual foes; UGA/Clemson from the East, Bama/UT from the North, LSU/Ole Miss from the West, FSU/UF from the South. Not to mention pillagers like Meyer at tOSU. And those programs are all showing consistency or improvement on the field. I was in the 'we'll prove it on the field' crowd until Jax State.
For the elite prospects like G Little, Gary, etc now, it will all come down to parents liking us, academic plans, saying Muschamp needs a full off-season, showing film that our position coaches have proved elite elsewhere, and bringing in semi-intelligent, selfless players who ball out. And it would help if they are Wolverine vice glass bodies. We've got some players with fire right now but we've got some selfish ones.
We saved ourselves recruiting ranking-wise last year by hiring Muschamp and the hype train that came with it. It's how we got Cowart, almost CeCe and Beckner. Cupboard is bare this year in that department so I will definitely need some convincing in Dec/Jan to believe top 10, even top 15 is possible. It's just the way it is with Auburn, it's a struggle but it doesn't have to be.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 8:43 am to SamGinn Cam
If the defense is playing a lot of young guys this season and we continue to improve, we will get some recruits at the end. I hate to sound too posibarner and all but it is true, we lose a chunk of older defensive guys and we are playing a lot of young guys now, that will appeal to a lot of guys that want to play a lot early.
As for the offense, I don't give a shite if we recruit big time receivers or not, the truth is that we would do better recruiting nothing but big possession guys that can get jump balls and run block. Derunnya Wilson is the type of guy I am talking about, the guy can catch and has the size to block on the sidelines to help open runs. Recruiting receivers like Myers is great for the ratings but I would rather get guys like Woerner like UGA has, 6'5 230 possession guy.
As for the trenches, we really need to raid the JUCo ranks for a pass rusher or two and a couple DTs that can play next year if we don't have guys that can do it now. I have zero qualms about letting a lightning quick 215 pound edge rusher play now if he can disrupt the backfield. I don't care if he is undersized, we need someone to break down the pocket a little even if he gets knocked down some, look at Dee Ford, he played most of his career around the 225 to 230 mark and did fine.
On the offensive side of the ball, I can't believe we are having trouble with two deep. Looking at the last few classes, they are full of well rated guys and then Golson transferred in. We should be loaded on the line and they are getting shoved around a good bit on pass protection. Someone posted a Nick Marshall highlight film the other day on the board and what I noticed on every pass was that he had a ton of time to set and throw, something we haven't had this year.
We are good on running backs. Barber has another year either way I believe, Thomas looked sharp and Johnson could end up being fantastic for us. Get a good one this year and we are set for the class. I also think we are set on Hback players but need a tight end fiercely. I would love to see us go jumbo on some sets with two tight ends that can block and run routes, something we haven't had since Lutz with the exception of Uzamah being a good receiver (terrible blocker though).
As for the offense, I don't give a shite if we recruit big time receivers or not, the truth is that we would do better recruiting nothing but big possession guys that can get jump balls and run block. Derunnya Wilson is the type of guy I am talking about, the guy can catch and has the size to block on the sidelines to help open runs. Recruiting receivers like Myers is great for the ratings but I would rather get guys like Woerner like UGA has, 6'5 230 possession guy.
As for the trenches, we really need to raid the JUCo ranks for a pass rusher or two and a couple DTs that can play next year if we don't have guys that can do it now. I have zero qualms about letting a lightning quick 215 pound edge rusher play now if he can disrupt the backfield. I don't care if he is undersized, we need someone to break down the pocket a little even if he gets knocked down some, look at Dee Ford, he played most of his career around the 225 to 230 mark and did fine.
On the offensive side of the ball, I can't believe we are having trouble with two deep. Looking at the last few classes, they are full of well rated guys and then Golson transferred in. We should be loaded on the line and they are getting shoved around a good bit on pass protection. Someone posted a Nick Marshall highlight film the other day on the board and what I noticed on every pass was that he had a ton of time to set and throw, something we haven't had this year.
We are good on running backs. Barber has another year either way I believe, Thomas looked sharp and Johnson could end up being fantastic for us. Get a good one this year and we are set for the class. I also think we are set on Hback players but need a tight end fiercely. I would love to see us go jumbo on some sets with two tight ends that can block and run routes, something we haven't had since Lutz with the exception of Uzamah being a good receiver (terrible blocker though).
Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:00 am to Warfarer
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As for the offense, I don't give a shite if we recruit big time receivers or not, the truth is that we would do better recruiting nothing but big possession guys that can get jump balls and run block.
Our passing game is based on downfield throws that opens up the run game by keeping safeties honest. We need downfield threats. Guys like Ricardo Louis are perfect
Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:04 am to GenesChin
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Our passing game is based on downfield throws that opens up the run game by keeping safeties honest. We need downfield threats. Guys like Ricardo Louis are perfect
except we don't do that. I'm not saying that there isn't a place for the deep threat guys but every receiver we get doesn't need to be that guy. I kind of giggle every time someone mentions that these small slot receivers are perfect in our offense because we do a lot in space. We don't. We run the ball with the occasional deep ball, not much in the mid range of passes. We would be better suited with our outside guys being bigger guys and having a slot guy with the outside guys being able to lay down some blocks.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:09 am to Warfarer
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that will appeal to a lot of guys that want to play a lot early
I hope this works out honestly. As long as they are not afraid to hit and can learn pass pro, bring them down.
Agree on the receivers. Plenty of sleeper WR into the NFL come from schools that recruit 3*.
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we really need to raid the JUCo ranks
We do need this and hope they turn out like Fairley. Just sucks we are in this position year after year it seems. We've turned down some guys that are monsters at other schools, for what? 2-3 DTs and I would be rock hard. Serious.
I think the OL will come together at some point. With our salty dog coach, I actually believe this can be coached into our 2-deep.
RB I am good to go with. Hbacks will develop with experience like Prosch did at Illinois. I've beat my own dead horse with Tight End. I just want someone with a nasty streak blocking and catching ability who plays as a safety valve, seam route runner like Gronkowski or any NFL tight end.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 9:24 am to SamGinn Cam
The scary part with our recruiting right now is that our coaches don't have the track record (at auburn) of developing talent. We've had several individual players make gains but whole units and our 2 deep have felt stagnant.
We're in no shape to swing high on athletic guys and trust our coaches to polish them.
We're in no shape to swing high on athletic guys and trust our coaches to polish them.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 12:11 pm to TheJones
We need to realize that our track record on D will not allow us to recruit top talent ATM. Our current strategy should be going hard at 3* type guys, get quality depth, develop that talent, and go from there.
This post was edited on 9/28/15 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 9/28/15 at 12:31 pm to TheJones
I know Carlton Davis has gotten burned and our D is looking rough, but our defensive players have definitely improved that Twill Muschampison have recruited
DT- Monty Adams -> Actually plays most snaps for first time in 3 years
LB- Jeff Holland -> Looks like he could be an awesome player going forward
DB- Jeremiah Dinson -> Looks solid
DB- Carlton Davis -> Gets burned but the level of burned is improving
DB- Tim Irvin -> Looks good
I trust Muschamp, TRob and Lance Thompson. I think Garner clearly can't develop talented kids
DT- Monty Adams -> Actually plays most snaps for first time in 3 years
LB- Jeff Holland -> Looks like he could be an awesome player going forward
DB- Jeremiah Dinson -> Looks solid
DB- Carlton Davis -> Gets burned but the level of burned is improving
DB- Tim Irvin -> Looks good
I trust Muschamp, TRob and Lance Thompson. I think Garner clearly can't develop talented kids
Posted on 9/28/15 at 12:34 pm to GenesChin
At this point, Garner needs to go.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 12:34 pm to GenesChin
For the O, I definitely trust Tim Horton and JB Grimes in developing RB/OL. RBs haven't had a true bust since Horton came on board. I wouldn't say Grimes is an elite OL but our OL is light years ahead of where we were pre (JB) Grimes.
I don't think Gus/Rhett/Fountain can develop QBs or TEs.
I don't trust DCraig with Wide Receivers. I would trust him with QBs though
I don't think Gus/Rhett/Fountain can develop QBs or TEs.
I don't trust DCraig with Wide Receivers. I would trust him with QBs though
This post was edited on 9/28/15 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 9/28/15 at 12:35 pm to GenesChin
Our freshman Db's play good tight coverage, Dak made some really nice throws Saturday. Loading up on LB's and Dlineman is essential I think.
I think Gus can develop a QB, let's see what he does with White and Queen in a few years. And Fountain is a good coach, it's not like we use TE's anyway.
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I don't think Gus/Rhett/Fountain can develop QBs or TEs.
I think Gus can develop a QB, let's see what he does with White and Queen in a few years. And Fountain is a good coach, it's not like we use TE's anyway.
This post was edited on 9/28/15 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 9/28/15 at 1:02 pm to CrazyCadillac
One of the TDs on Carlton Davis was decent coverage for CFB. Dak had a great throw and WR had some solid positioning. That just happens
I'm not as worried about our defense now that Muschamp seems to be holding people accountable and getting them to play tough.
I think Gus' ceiling for QB development is adapting them to his scheme. I don't believe if he can teach kids how to play the QB position like say a Petrino/Jimbo Fischer/Lane Kiffin can.
Gus never played QB and didn't start coaching QBs at the CFB level until Tulsa 2007. I don't know how much I trust Gus teaching QBs to make defensive reads & QB mechanics.
I'm not as worried about our defense now that Muschamp seems to be holding people accountable and getting them to play tough.
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I think Gus can develop a QB, let's see what he does with White and Queen in a few years. And Fountain is a good coach, it's not like we use TE's anyway.
I think Gus' ceiling for QB development is adapting them to his scheme. I don't believe if he can teach kids how to play the QB position like say a Petrino/Jimbo Fischer/Lane Kiffin can.
Gus never played QB and didn't start coaching QBs at the CFB level until Tulsa 2007. I don't know how much I trust Gus teaching QBs to make defensive reads & QB mechanics.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 1:06 pm to GenesChin
What I see as a bad sign; there is a ton of talent within two or three hours of campus that we aren't in for. Those guys seem to be going to USCe, Tenner, Ole Miss, etc. it is like we are trying to recruit on a national level, when all we need is close to home.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 2:24 pm to CrazyCadillac
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Fountain is a good coach
No he isn't.Posted on 9/28/15 at 2:26 pm to JamalSanders
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No he isn't.
He's our special teams guy right? Not our fault we don't use his position in our offense.
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