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Report: Braves would trade Albies for cost controlled pitching
Posted on 7/15/17 at 3:45 pm
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Posted on 7/15/17 at 7:51 pm to VADawg
Not sure I like the reasoning of moving albies because Swanson is already at short. If Swanson can't get on base any more regularly than this, Albies is our future. Granted it's too early to write Dansby off, but I think it'd be jumping the gun, too, to offload Albies at this point
Posted on 7/16/17 at 1:03 am to tylerdurden24
Dansby had a great June after a horrific start.
Let's pump the brakes on giving up on him.
Let's pump the brakes on giving up on him.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 8:45 am to okietiger
Which is what I had said; it's too early to write him off but he's still batting and getting on base in the low to mid .200s. All I'm saying is don't go gambling Albies when Swanson hasn't exactly proven that he can live up to his billing just yet
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:50 am to VADawg
I dont like trading Albies but if we net a legitimate mid 20s, cost controlled ace then I can accept a package of Albies/Anderson/Parsons or something.
In order of my don't want to trade list
1. Acuna (under no circumstances)
2. Maitan
3. Allard
4. Soroka
5. Albies
In order of my don't want to trade list
1. Acuna (under no circumstances)
2. Maitan
3. Allard
4. Soroka
5. Albies
Posted on 7/16/17 at 1:09 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:
In order of my don't want to trade list
1. Acuna (under no circumstances)
2. Maitan
3. Allard
4. Soroka
5. Albies
Those top 3 should all be untouchable under any circumstances
Posted on 7/17/17 at 9:37 am to VADawg
Anyone who thinks Archer or Stroman goes for less than Acuna+ is delusional. I don't think the Braves are willing to pay that price, which is understandable.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 9:59 am to Vicks Kennel Club
Yea I agree
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:10 am to SummerOfGeorge
Per Jon Heyman, Braves are among a few teams interested in IF Jurickson Profar of the Rangers. Used to be a mega prospect, groomed to either supplant or team up with Elvis Andrus in Texas as their double play combo for years.
As long as the price fits, i'm all for it. It fits the Coppy business model to a 'T.' Acquire a young, once highly regarded prospect and give him a change of scenery and see what our player development can do. Kid is still only 24, and after stealing Travis Demeritte for a journeyman starting pitcher and a AAAA reliever last year (both of which i'm pretty sure were waiver wire pick-ups, definitely Alvarez), hopefully Coppy can pull the wool once again.
As long as the price fits, i'm all for it. It fits the Coppy business model to a 'T.' Acquire a young, once highly regarded prospect and give him a change of scenery and see what our player development can do. Kid is still only 24, and after stealing Travis Demeritte for a journeyman starting pitcher and a AAAA reliever last year (both of which i'm pretty sure were waiver wire pick-ups, definitely Alvarez), hopefully Coppy can pull the wool once again.
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 10:12 am
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:47 am to DirtyDAWG14
I will be perfectly fine as too letting the year play out and not make any major moves. Garcia and Phillips prolly get moved allowing Albies to come play 2nd. Camargo/Freeman rotate at 3rd along with Freeman/Adams at first.
In talks opinion, who is the next prospect to come up and join the rotation? I'll curious as to see if Medlen gets a shot at the rotation or if he's headed to the pen.
In talks opinion, who is the next prospect to come up and join the rotation? I'll curious as to see if Medlen gets a shot at the rotation or if he's headed to the pen.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:49 am to DirtyDAWG14
I like the Profar idea but only under 2 circumstances
(1) His injury stuff is cleared. If it's recurring and permanent then anything done pre injury can be thrown out the window. His power numbers the last 2 seasons have been dreadful (.099 ISO in 2016, .034 ISO in 2017).
(2) We don't give much up
The plus to Profar is he can play almost anywhere, so at worst he becomes a super utility man and at best is able to play 3B or LF.
If they want Jaimie Garcia and a C level prospect for him I'd be ALL IN.
(1) His injury stuff is cleared. If it's recurring and permanent then anything done pre injury can be thrown out the window. His power numbers the last 2 seasons have been dreadful (.099 ISO in 2016, .034 ISO in 2017).
(2) We don't give much up
The plus to Profar is he can play almost anywhere, so at worst he becomes a super utility man and at best is able to play 3B or LF.
If they want Jaimie Garcia and a C level prospect for him I'd be ALL IN.
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 10:54 am
Posted on 7/17/17 at 10:59 am to tylerdurden24
quote:
All I'm saying is don't go gambling Albies when Swanson hasn't exactly proven that he can live up to his billing just yet
I think this has more to do with them really liking Camargo.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 1:19 pm to SummerOfGeorge
IMO, I think the Profar move would be something to kind of offset dealing 1 of the young middle infielders, Ozzie, Camargo, Demeritte, or (unlikely, but can't say its impossible, Dansby). I think it was Don Sutton I heard say that he spoke with someone in the Oakland organization, and when we were talking to the A's about Sonny Gray, one guy they mentioned wanting in return is Camargo.
The scary thing is knowing you have to get these deals right. And while Coppy has proven he can get most deals right, those mistakes aren't going to be as apparent when the return we got is in the minors. We'd be seeing the results of these trades because they would be coming to Atlanta, not Mississippi or Rome.
I want us to do what we've said all along for this season, shop guys that we can, and acquire a few more assets. I'm not saying tank, but there are guys we need to sell high on. IMO, that would mean trading...
Jaime Garcia- Just had a good start yesterday, deal him before he has another bad one or two
Phillips (AKA DatDude)
Jim Johnson- Trade him to a bullpen desperate team (Nats), and get whatever you can for him (maybe a roll or two of Charmin Ultra Soft)
Matt Adams- Obviously he's the one that more people would have issue with, but I think you have to sell high on this guy. Done great work, did way more than we could have asked and kept the team afloat, but at the end of the day, you don't move someone who is arguably offensively and defensively the best player at his position, for a guy who is a big stick and average-ish with the glove.
The scary thing is knowing you have to get these deals right. And while Coppy has proven he can get most deals right, those mistakes aren't going to be as apparent when the return we got is in the minors. We'd be seeing the results of these trades because they would be coming to Atlanta, not Mississippi or Rome.
I want us to do what we've said all along for this season, shop guys that we can, and acquire a few more assets. I'm not saying tank, but there are guys we need to sell high on. IMO, that would mean trading...
Jaime Garcia- Just had a good start yesterday, deal him before he has another bad one or two
Phillips (AKA DatDude)
Jim Johnson- Trade him to a bullpen desperate team (Nats), and get whatever you can for him (maybe a roll or two of Charmin Ultra Soft)
Matt Adams- Obviously he's the one that more people would have issue with, but I think you have to sell high on this guy. Done great work, did way more than we could have asked and kept the team afloat, but at the end of the day, you don't move someone who is arguably offensively and defensively the best player at his position, for a guy who is a big stick and average-ish with the glove.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:13 pm to DirtyDAWG14
A lot of the chatter from scouts is that Jaimie is the best rental available by far. His best is very good, his middling starts at winnable and he's pitched in tons of big games.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:17 pm to DirtyDAWG14
Guys we need to sell that will bring back solid value
- Garcia
- Adams
Guys that could be packaged and help
- Phillips
- Johnson
I'd love to see somebody combo take Garcia and Markakis and see Markakis as a 4th OF/bench bat, let us pay half the salary and give us 1 very solid aspect. Houston maybe, but they don't really need Markakis. Perhaps Johnson/Garcia.
- Garcia
- Adams
Guys that could be packaged and help
- Phillips
- Johnson
I'd love to see somebody combo take Garcia and Markakis and see Markakis as a 4th OF/bench bat, let us pay half the salary and give us 1 very solid aspect. Houston maybe, but they don't really need Markakis. Perhaps Johnson/Garcia.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 4:04 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I want Markakis traded so badly, don't even care how much salary we pay or what we get in return. We have like 3 guys who can play a corner outfield spot that will actually provide pop in the lineup and run faster than the speed of smell.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 8:02 pm to SumterCoDawg
And have an arm that make people atleast think about staying at second on a ground ball to right field
Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:41 am to SummerOfGeorge
I'd love for us to do some kind of blockbuster deal with the Astros or the Brewers.
Send them Julio, Vizzy, and maybe someone like Dustin Peterson or Braxton Davidson (the minor league OF if necessary.)
If it's the Brewers, get a package in return that's highlighted by 23 yr old OF Lewis Brinson.
If it's the Astros, get a package in return that's highlighted by either 23 yr old OF Derek Fisher OR 20 yr old OF Kyle Tucker.
Personally, I'd love to get Brinson. At that point, you're looking at a potential starting outfield next season of Acuna, Inciarte and Kemp/Brinson, depending on if you can unload Kemp at some point. Your outfield is set for at least the next five years, and could be much longer depending on the ability to re-sign.
Whatever other prospects you get in return, package with a prospect or two of ours and send it somewhere for an ace. Maybe Archer in the offseason, maybe Stroman, if the Blue Jays are willing to trade, but that would be less likely IMO. But it's gonna have to include one or two of our top guys. Hopefully a package, highlighted by Demeritte/Albies and Touki/Gohara would be compelling enough, along with 2-3 others, to get what we want.
Would love to hear any feedback/thoughts on those scenarios. Unfortunately these are the things i think far too often about in the offseason/around the trade deadline
Send them Julio, Vizzy, and maybe someone like Dustin Peterson or Braxton Davidson (the minor league OF if necessary.)
If it's the Brewers, get a package in return that's highlighted by 23 yr old OF Lewis Brinson.
If it's the Astros, get a package in return that's highlighted by either 23 yr old OF Derek Fisher OR 20 yr old OF Kyle Tucker.
Personally, I'd love to get Brinson. At that point, you're looking at a potential starting outfield next season of Acuna, Inciarte and Kemp/Brinson, depending on if you can unload Kemp at some point. Your outfield is set for at least the next five years, and could be much longer depending on the ability to re-sign.
Whatever other prospects you get in return, package with a prospect or two of ours and send it somewhere for an ace. Maybe Archer in the offseason, maybe Stroman, if the Blue Jays are willing to trade, but that would be less likely IMO. But it's gonna have to include one or two of our top guys. Hopefully a package, highlighted by Demeritte/Albies and Touki/Gohara would be compelling enough, along with 2-3 others, to get what we want.
Would love to hear any feedback/thoughts on those scenarios. Unfortunately these are the things i think far too often about in the offseason/around the trade deadline
This post was edited on 7/20/17 at 10:44 am
Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:48 am to DirtyDAWG14
It's funny that you mention Brinson. In my MLB the Show franchise, i ended up putting together a package to get Brinson. I ended up trading every single one of Colon (who actually performed very well in the game), Garcia, Phillips, Kemp, Markakis, and Johnson. I sprinkled in a few of the B prospects to get better return.
I can't remember what I dealt to get Brinson, but it wasn't cheap.
I can't remember what I dealt to get Brinson, but it wasn't cheap.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 12:23 pm to DirtyDAWG14
The Brewers arent trading Brinson and that is a crap deal. You dont trade a top 15ish prospect in baseball for basically nothing.
Same with Astros trade. Your not getting Tucker.
Same with Astros trade. Your not getting Tucker.
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