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re: OT - how good do Atlanta Braves officials feel about the move to Cobb County now?
Posted on 7/20/21 at 2:15 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
Posted on 7/20/21 at 2:15 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
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If anyone has not been to Summerhill in a while, you should google housing prices. You may be in for a shock.
You could have bought a house for a song about 7 years ago.
Ironically, the Braves leaving and GSU coming did more for that neighborhood.
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Posted on 7/20/21 at 3:38 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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That would be Mel in SW Atlanta. He's a fricking idiot.
Also a lot of East Atlanta/W.Midtown hipsters were against the move.
The AJC railed against it on almost a daily basis.
Posted on 7/20/21 at 9:14 pm to RD Dawg
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The AJC railed against it on almost a daily basis.
That is how you know they did something right. If the AJC doesn't like it, it was probably good.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 1:34 am to ATLabama
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This is very arguable
Not really.By any measurement it's been a huge success and revenues are through the roof and have enabled the team to be more competitive.The Braves got a shite deal from COA to go along with a horrible TV deal (it has improved but it should be better) They were looking at a disaster.
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Liberty Media doesn't invest in the team to win.
LM has no say in the payroll per SEC law.It falls on McGuirk and the Braves
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like the concept of the stadium, but plainly if you've gone anywhere else, the stadium is super pedestrian. There's genuinely nothing unique or cool about it.
It's light years ahead of Turner and there's ZERO comparison on the atmosphere surrounding the areas.Turner was a wasteland and every attempt at entertainment around the area failed (Bullpen?)
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Farm - which admittedly, is a high bar (both MBS and SFA have won awards in the past year for fan experience/venue quality).
WGAS how many awards they won?
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mean it's a mall, a red lobster, a Lexus dealership, a failed 1980's office development and a myriad of fast-food options. It just seems like whoever thought of it was stuck in 1991.
What? WTF were they supposed to do? Demand Cumberland and Red Lobster close? The Battery is as good of an expierence as I've had at a MLB stadium outside of Wrigley,Fenway or Coors.
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where the experience is authentic to the city, storied, unique, and irreplaceable elsewhere.
Was Turner a destination and was the experience authentic? Please
All those places you named are older and had the advantage of neighborhoods growing up around them.The Braves didn't have the time or luxury to do that.
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but LM wanted a deal done immediately and they were able to railroad the Cobb County vote quickly enough to get the cranes up quicker.
And it was the smartest move they could have made by far.The vast majority of the fans and season ticket holders live outside the northern arc and the option of the Gulch or West Midtown is only a tad better than Turner and thats obviously unacceptable.
Don't be such an ITP snob and I've lived ITP for 25+ years.
This post was edited on 7/21/21 at 1:51 am
Posted on 7/21/21 at 1:47 am to ATLabama
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Tents setup by noon, 5 different tent groups lined up next to each other... more coolers of beer than you can count... people just having the time of their damn lives. It was seriously unlike any other pregame experience in baseball. It was like a football tailgate
You've got to be kidding me.A parking lot,coolers and tents makes the pregame experience unlike "any other?" BTW I was a STH at both old Fulton County and Turner.I mean if you really wanna talk quality tailgating,there was nothing like Fulton County...huge parking area.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 7:43 am to RD Dawg
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A parking lot,coolers and tents makes the pregame experience unlike "any other?"
Dude, I’m speaking specifically of the blue lot, by the oak trees.
Yes, it was like any other. It was like a mini-grove on weekend games, and especially the playoffs. So yes, it was unlike any other. It was football-like tailgating for baseball.
Was watching the NBA Finals last night and the deer district internally had both a punch bowl social and a PBR bar… not that they’re bad, but, I like things that are unique.
Blue lot tailgating was >>>>> and if you didn’t experience it, well, I’m truly sorry.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 8:36 am to RD Dawg
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LM has no say in the payroll per SEC law.
A lot of people don't understand this relationship. I've copied a few snippets from a 2015 article that explains it better than I could. LINK
Braves Holdings LLC is a subsidiary of Liberty Media Corporation. Braves Holdings LLC indirectly owns the Atlanta Braves Major League Baseball club, the Atlanta Braves' stadium and associated real estate projects (The Battery).
Liberty Media is legally not allowed to inject or withdraw cash to/from the Braves.
Liberty Media has virtually no involvement with the club; the team operates as a stand-alone entity, surviving or failing based on its own revenues generated.
Liberty Media stays out of the way and lets the baseball people run the baseball team. They are ‘hands off’ owners, partly by design to protect the franchise.
This post was edited on 7/21/21 at 8:37 am
Posted on 7/21/21 at 8:47 am to ATLabama
All in all - here's my thoughts:
(1) I don't hate the Battery/Truist - I just think when you build something new, you should go the extra-mile and make it special; something that is almost beyond it's time as the structure stands for 15-30 years. Mercedes-Benz Stadium does it. Cowboys Stadium did it. Baseball wise, the new Yankees stadium, Citi Field, Bush Stadium, PetCo Park, and Citizens Bank all crushed it. Even thought the location of Globe Life in Arlington sucks (40 minutes from Dallas and 35 from Ft. Worth with traffic), that stadium is wayyyy more next-gen than Truist.
(2) The information I'm relaying regarding the stadium is just what I've heard from a reliable source. Take it for what it's worth. Two facts: (a) Cobb wasn't the first choice, and (b) they felt miffed by the city because they wouldn't even talk to them about sites until the Falcons deal was done. Those are truths.
(3) I don't care that they moved the stadium from downtown, I just think that area of Atlanta is literally a plain-vanilla no-man's land. If I were to drop someone there and remove any "Braves" signage and tell them they were in east Nashville, you couldn't definitively say otherwise. Say what you want, but a part of the experience is being tied to something unique to the venue/city. The arch backdrop in St. Louis. Wrigleyville in Chicago. Chavez Ravine in LA. The city backdrop and stadium center in Philly. Yawkey way in Fenway. Being in LoDo in Denver. The iconic Camden Yards scape. The river just beyond the wall in Pittsburgh or the cove in SF. I could go on and on, but, there's a reason why I think the location is lame as hell and outside visitors give the experience a lukewarm "meh." The idea of the battery is great. Awesome, even. They just should have brought in more local "true to Atlanta" spots, and put it somewhere else. Honestly, the Doraville spot would have been 10X better - at least you can get to it by rail.
I'll always be a Braves fan, but we're the freaking Braves, not the Brewers. We've got a top-5 fanbase and we deserve a complex that rivals the Yankees, Cubs, and Red Sox, not the Wide World of Sports reincarnate.
(1) I don't hate the Battery/Truist - I just think when you build something new, you should go the extra-mile and make it special; something that is almost beyond it's time as the structure stands for 15-30 years. Mercedes-Benz Stadium does it. Cowboys Stadium did it. Baseball wise, the new Yankees stadium, Citi Field, Bush Stadium, PetCo Park, and Citizens Bank all crushed it. Even thought the location of Globe Life in Arlington sucks (40 minutes from Dallas and 35 from Ft. Worth with traffic), that stadium is wayyyy more next-gen than Truist.
(2) The information I'm relaying regarding the stadium is just what I've heard from a reliable source. Take it for what it's worth. Two facts: (a) Cobb wasn't the first choice, and (b) they felt miffed by the city because they wouldn't even talk to them about sites until the Falcons deal was done. Those are truths.
(3) I don't care that they moved the stadium from downtown, I just think that area of Atlanta is literally a plain-vanilla no-man's land. If I were to drop someone there and remove any "Braves" signage and tell them they were in east Nashville, you couldn't definitively say otherwise. Say what you want, but a part of the experience is being tied to something unique to the venue/city. The arch backdrop in St. Louis. Wrigleyville in Chicago. Chavez Ravine in LA. The city backdrop and stadium center in Philly. Yawkey way in Fenway. Being in LoDo in Denver. The iconic Camden Yards scape. The river just beyond the wall in Pittsburgh or the cove in SF. I could go on and on, but, there's a reason why I think the location is lame as hell and outside visitors give the experience a lukewarm "meh." The idea of the battery is great. Awesome, even. They just should have brought in more local "true to Atlanta" spots, and put it somewhere else. Honestly, the Doraville spot would have been 10X better - at least you can get to it by rail.
I'll always be a Braves fan, but we're the freaking Braves, not the Brewers. We've got a top-5 fanbase and we deserve a complex that rivals the Yankees, Cubs, and Red Sox, not the Wide World of Sports reincarnate.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 8:51 am to VADawg
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Liberty Media stays out of the way and lets the baseball people run the baseball team. They are ‘hands off’ owners, partly by design to protect the franchise.
That's also a detriment. They can't overspend on CapEx/OpEx as they are publicly traded and have to meet certain shareholder criteria.
The reason sole-ownerships do well is, they are OK taking a loss on up-front spend. The Braves are a P&L. They will spend only enough to ensure profitability.
If you're OK with that, we've got bigger issues. This fanbase is getting hoodwinked and LM needs to sell immediately. Don't even ask me, ask Chipper Jones. They're absentee, and I loathe anyone that thinks this structure is conducive to a World Series title, which, is the only reason we're f***ing here, I hope.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 8:54 am to Wally Sparks
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Ironically, the Braves leaving and GSU coming did more for that neighborhood.
Yeah, it's pretty funny. The area around the GSU stadium is cooler than the Battery now.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 9:01 am to ATLabama
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If you're OK with that, we've got bigger issues. This fanbase is getting hoodwinked and LM needs to sell immediately. Don't even ask me, ask Chipper Jones. They're absentee, and I loathe anyone that thinks this structure is conducive to a World Series title, which, is the only reason we're f***ing here, I hope.
I don't like that the Braves are owned by a corporation, but a lot of our fans say that LM is cheap and I don't think they realize that LM literally can't alter payroll. I'd love to see them sell but I don't think they'll sell for cash. They'll want assets that can't be taxed.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 9:33 am to ATLabama
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They can't overspend on CapEx/OpEx as they are publicly traded and have to meet certain shareholder criteria.
They can't overspend or understand.They have zero say so.It all falls on your buddy McGuirk or McJerk as my Turner buddies use to call em.
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They're absentee, and I loathe anyone that thinks this structure is conducive to a World Series title,
They've done very well considering the shite sandwich they were handed with the TV contract although it's improved to around the $85 million range...it should be close to $250 million+
This post was edited on 7/21/21 at 9:36 am
Posted on 7/21/21 at 11:26 am to RD Dawg
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They've done very well considering the shite sandwich they were handed with the TV contract although it's improved to around the $85 million range...it should be close to $250 million+
Truth. We should be well into the top ten in payroll with our market size.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 11:53 am to RD Dawg
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TV contract
This is the major reason the Braves don't have a higher payroll.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 11:54 am to RD Dawg
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They've done very well considering the shite sandwich they were handed with the TV contract although it's improved to around the $85 million range...it should be close to $250 million+
You can thank McGuirk (among others) for that contract.
Posted on 7/21/21 at 12:30 pm to VADawg
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This is the major reason the Braves don't have a higher payroll
Not all that bad after they renegotiated but should be at least 3X more.The next one should be close to thé Dodgers or minimum top 2. McGuirk & Co better break thé payroll bank when thé new deal kicks in.
This post was edited on 7/21/21 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 7/22/21 at 7:42 pm to RD Dawg
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The AJC railed against it on almost a daily basis.
So did that douche Jeff Schultz.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 7:47 pm to RD Dawg
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They've done very well considering the shite sandwich they were handed with the TV contract although it's improved to around the $85 million range...it should be close to $250 million+
And this right here is the crux of the issue. Once they can get a new/competitive TV deal, then the payroll will really tick up on top of the revenue from The Battery.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 7:48 pm to RD Dawg
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McGuirk & Co better break thé payroll bank when thé new deal kicks in.
Agreed.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 7:50 pm to ATLabama
Yep, you're a hipster.
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