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Posted on 10/16/22 at 8:08 am to troyt37
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Tennessee has been a sleeping giant for 15 years.
Tennessee is no sleeping giant. This isn't 1962.
They can be a good program.
Easy answer is a creative offensive head coach
Posted on 10/16/22 at 9:35 am to boogiewoogie1978
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Tennessee is no sleeping giant. This isn't 1962.
It’s only been about 20 years since they were competing for titles. If they aren’t then Arkansas basketball really isn’t either.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 9:43 am to gohogs141
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It’s only been about 20 years since they were competing for titles.
The factors from 20 years ago can't be consistently replicated
They were getting the best recruits from Florida and Louisiana. There was also a down Bama and Georgia.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 10:35 am to boogiewoogie1978
Tennessee was getting players from all around the nation just like what Bama is doing.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 1:26 pm to CFB_Fanatic
It could have been with a healthy defense. I don’t know any team who lose their top 5-7 db’s, some for the year, as early as we did…and come out unscathed.
Basically every injury has been the same position group. I don’t recall a time that it has to this extent.
Our schedule is brutal this too year.
Basically every injury has been the same position group. I don’t recall a time that it has to this extent.
Our schedule is brutal this too year.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 2:02 pm to Billy Blanks
The worst injury season was back in 2000.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 2:36 pm to FayetteNAM
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They have more talent than us
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It's not close either. They have men, we don't. They are better than us at every position, on both sides of the ball.
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I mean it’s pretty close, they are 19 we are 25
Wait. My quote regarding having men and being better at every position pertained to Bama. That's why they consistently beat us. It's simple. Its' why Bama averages 11 wins per season.
Sure, Tennessee beat 'em, but Bama can't win every game. Their game is everyone's Super Bowl.
I'm not taking anything away from Tennessee. They won the game. They'll probably lose the next five to Bama, which is just like every other program that happens to slip up and get one over on Bama.
Some of y'all act like beating Bama really says something about you as a program. Kirby Smart has beaten Bama once since he's been there. Does that mean Georgia isn't a very good program? No, it doesn't.
I guess what I'm trying to say is this....I don't use Bama as a measuring stick for our program. Fact of the matter is, if we beat them, that's great. It would be a one off accomplishment. Same for Tennessee...they beat Bama and will probably get their asses beat by Bama for the next _______ years.
Bama recruits at a different level than 99% of the programs in college football and they kinda have a damn good coach that also develops said talent.
I just don't let Bama define us as a program. No program should, because they are different in the talent they get and the coaching that talent receives.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 2:42 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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Tennessee is no sleeping giant. This isn't 1962.
It absolutely is a sleeping giant. They’ve finally been able to wrangle their boosters. I heard Chris Low say once if you think Auburn boosters are bad you ain’t seen nothing until you get to Knoxville. Post fulmer world at UT was the Wild West. Nobody could wrangle in the money guys. They’ve finally hired a real AD that doesn’t take the bullshite and got an X’s and O’s Coach. We think for some reason we are on their level and it’s not even close. Everything they do is bigger than us including recruiting budgets, demographics to choose from, stadium size and alumni base. Everyone forgets Knoxville is a pretty big metro and it’s 2 hours from Atlanta and Nashville. They’ve always been able to recruit nationally too.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 2:48 pm to DeltaHog
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DeltaHog
I remember Tennessee and what they were every single year. That's why I'm so perplexed at them wandering around in the desert for all of these years. They were mentioned in the same breath as all of the other blue bloods of college football.
Some people will use what I said above at apply that to a program like Nebraska. That's apples and oranges. Tennessee has the ability to be good, and the built in advantages to compete. They've just done what we've done in basketball for 20 years....hire shitty coaches.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 3:28 pm to Arkapigdiesel
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They've just done what we've done in basketball for 20 years....hire shitty coaches.
Exactly, been saying the same thing for a while now. Tennessee is borderline blue blood program that has national brand in football. They have the ability to win big. They’re program is very comparable to our basketball program.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 10:19 pm to DeltaHog
No team that wears orange should be a National contender. Orange uniforms are ugly AF
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:04 am to Feral
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Not sure “every once in a while” is an apt descriptor for the TSIO.
It's not, but we're the only team in the West who haven't beaten Alabama under Nick Saban at least once. With Tennessee's victory, it's just us, Missouri, Vanderbilt, and Kentucky who've gone winless. Missouri and Vanderbilt have played them four times, and Kentucky five. We're 0–15 (0–16 if you count their vacated '07 win).
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But the answer is to hire a creative, offensive minded coach.
Well, Bobby Petrino went 0–4. And 2010 was the chance he had to take one.
2014 was absolute bullshite. I'm not even just talking about the blocked PAT that made us lose 13–14. Honestly, I'm not so confident we'd have taken them in OT. But Kody Walker's unforced fumble at the one inch line.
I honestly care less and less about Hog football every year. It's pretty easy. We're good in basketball and baseball, football has become just a distraction until the stuff we care to be good at starts. The last time I was pumped for a Razorback football season was 2016. Every year since then (including this year) I've not even kept up with how long until the year starts.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:16 am to The_Joker
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We didn’t “settle” for shite. Both of the coaches you listed said no to us outright.
Pittman is better than Mike Leach, and that's that. Leach has infuriatingly little consistency. He's the one popular name that was floated that I absolutely did not want, and still don't. Unless someone credible has said so, I don't even believe we went after Leach.
Kiffin was taken right out from under our noses. I'm less upset that we lost Kiffin, and more upset that we let that happen regardless of who the coach was. It was Ole Miss, not a bona fide blue blood. Letting that happen to us was small-time, G5 level thinking. Arkansas football seems to be nothing but a string of embarrassing mishaps brought on by what I can only assume is disorganized cronyism in the athletic department.
We produce fewer 4* recruits than any other state with an SEC team located in it. Like, by a breathtaking margin. To say the battle is "uphill" undersells it. The battle is located at a 90-degree angle. We have to work too hard to overcome that major weakness to do things like fire Bret Bielema for Chad Morris, and then predictably fire him two years later after putting us at record-breaking depths in the gutter, only to immediately let Ole Miss body us for Lane Kiffin so we could hire a career o-line coach.
I like Sam Pittman. Whether he works out or not, that was a move that screamed "we don't care if we win or not, the fans show up regardless and we get our money, anyway."
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:24 am to Billy Blanks
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Our schedule is brutal this too year.
The thing is… it really isn't. The SEC-W is looking as mortal as I've seen it in ages. Capitalizing on years like this is what teams like Arkansas have to do. Losing to A&M was inexcusable on every level. We've lost 10/11 against those guys, and in 7/11 of those teams, they won eight games. One only won seven.
And we're one of the eight. Every single time. Same with Auburn. Same with Missouri. We keep losing to painfully average - or even downright bad - teams, year in and year out, so our "brutal schedule" isn't the issue. The brutal schedule is why we can't win the SEC. Something else makes us struggle to reach bowl games every year. Take care of these pitiful teams at least every other year when we get them at home, and we look like an actually competent football program.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:22 pm to VagueMessage
I’m sure there are West programs out there who would gladly trade their permanent East team with us in exchange for Mizzou. And we don’t have much success to show for it.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 1:39 pm to BallHawg10
We're 2–7 against Missouri since they joined the conference. Three of their seven wins, they didn't even finish with a winning record. They won 7 and 8 games two more times. We should have taken down this team more than 50% of the time.
We're 1–7 against Auburn with Malzahn, and 0–1 against them with Harsin. Harsin finished 6–7 last year and beat us by two TDs at home, while we finished with 9 and ranked. They lost to three teams we beat, but we couldn't handle them in Fayetteville. Four of Malzahn's seven wins were at 8 wins or less.
We're not faring much better against Mississippi State.
There's no reason to not win half of these games. These guys have been so underwhelming, and regardless of the coach, we can't seem to capitalize much on it. I expect Auburn to beat the dog shite out of us next week for no real discernable reason other than it's what they do, regardless of how shitty they are.
We're 1–7 against Auburn with Malzahn, and 0–1 against them with Harsin. Harsin finished 6–7 last year and beat us by two TDs at home, while we finished with 9 and ranked. They lost to three teams we beat, but we couldn't handle them in Fayetteville. Four of Malzahn's seven wins were at 8 wins or less.
We're not faring much better against Mississippi State.
There's no reason to not win half of these games. These guys have been so underwhelming, and regardless of the coach, we can't seem to capitalize much on it. I expect Auburn to beat the dog shite out of us next week for no real discernable reason other than it's what they do, regardless of how shitty they are.
Posted on 10/18/22 at 9:58 pm to DeltaHog
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Everything they do is bigger than us including recruiting budgets, demographics to choose from, stadium size and alumni base.
So does aTm and Texas...blah blah
Tennessee is not going to beat Bama or Georgia or hell even Clemson for recruits in the Nashville Atlanta area. They just aren't
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